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Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 19:44:32 -0400
From: Rich Felker <>
Subject: Re: time64 switchover -- distro plans?

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 09:19:07AM +0100, Khem Raj wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 5:08 AM Rich Felker <> wrote:
> > This thread is a call for feedback from distros (or other
> > similarly-situated systems integrators) using musl with 32-bit archs.
> > Everything is moving smoothly on my side for upcoming time64
> > switchover which will be included in the next release, 1.2.0. But with
> > this involving ABI issues between packages and changes that some
> > software may not be ready for, it will likely be at least somewhat
> > disruptive to distros/users.
> When are we planning for 1.2 release approximately?
> I would like to see it before March 2020 since openembedded/yocto releases
> in April this fits well with scheduling this upgrade and gives time to test
> it on various platforms

Absolutely before then, even if release plans slip far more than
usual. My hope right now is to keep up with the roadmap on the wiki
which has it at an unspecified time in November (2019, of course, but
clarifying which year since this is an ongoing joke about something on
#musl.. :). I will probably drop out some of the other goals from the
roadmap though to keep it focused and keep this on time.

> > In particular:
> >
> > * Are there resources I could/should make available that will help
> >   things go smoothly?
> >
> > * Are you available for testing building and running packages against
> >   time64 musl prior to release?
> Yes


> > From my side, I'm planning to write up release notes/announcement far
> > more detailed than usual, with instructions on switchover, what ABI
> > compatibility/stability does & doesn't mean, possible pitfalls, tips
> > for catching code that may have time64-related bugs, etc., and just
> > basic FAQ items like whether you need a 5.1+ kernel (no) or kernel
> > headers (no).
> >
> > I'll also be building and testing some software on i386 and sh at
> > least; I already started with busybox, which just got the main
> > time64-readiness issue I was aware of fixed.
> >
> > I think I'll push the last of the time64 patches within the next week,
> > possibly sooner, meaning "distros start testing" is a thing that could
> > begin really soon if anyone's up for it.
> I will be able to start doing master work in couple of weeks

Sounds like a good timeframe. time64 switchover will be upstream then
and it gives us a couple weeks to keep the subsequent release


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