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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 14:40:14 +0200
From: Solar Designer <>
Subject: Re: First post - OWL looks really nice! - Q1

Hi Philip,

It is surprising to see renewed interest in Owl now that the project has
been on hold for a few years.  I guess this might be related to the
recent LinuxSecurity article, which I also found surprising, weird, and
in some places factually wrong:

For example, I use QubesOS, but I think (and heard Joanna say so) its
reason to exist and its strongest side is the integration between VMs,
which the article doesn't even mention.  For Owl, I appreciate them
acknowledging its influence, and I agree this is what's great about it,
but much of the rest is factually wrong (e.g. we don't use SELinux) and
I wouldn't recommend an on-hold project for new users except in some
special cases (education, intent to take code or ideas from Owl, etc.)
The article also confuses Owl the distro (which is on hold) with the
rest of what we offer at Openwall (active projects and services).

I don't know if this article is what brought you to here, but I guess it
might have.

On Sat, Jul 04, 2020 at 11:19:07AM +1000, Philip Rhoades wrote:
> OK, I have made a little progress - this my current OWL VM ifcfg-eth0:
> DEVICE=eth0
> BOOTPROTO=static
> DNS1=
> and this allows me to ping and ssh into it from my F31 workstation but I 
> still can't ping anything from it . . what am I missing?

You were correct that you needed to provide static network
configuration.  This is because Owl is primarily for servers.

You're probably still missing configuration on your F31 host, where
you'd need to enable IPv4 forwarding and IP masquerading for traffic
from these addresses leaving your host.

> On 2020-07-04 03:10, Philip Rhoades wrote:
> >I am also interested in using OWL for podman containers - I presume
> >there will also be a networking issue there too?

We use OpenVZ containers in Owl, not podman.  I doubt you'd be able to
easily use podman on Owl.

Yes, indeed you need proper network configuration on Owl and on the host
with the Owl VM for networking from containers on Owl to work.


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