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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2020 22:56:58 +1000
From: Philip Rhoades <>
Cc: Solar Designer <>
Subject: Re: First post - OWL looks really nice! - Q1


Thanks for the response! - see inline comments:

On 2020-07-04 22:40, Solar Designer wrote:
> Hi Philip,
> It is surprising to see renewed interest in Owl now that the project 
> has
> been on hold for a few years.  I guess this might be related to the
> recent LinuxSecurity article, which I also found surprising, weird, and
> in some places factually wrong:
> For example, I use QubesOS, but I think (and heard Joanna say so) its
> reason to exist and its strongest side is the integration between VMs,
> which the article doesn't even mention.  For Owl, I appreciate them
> acknowledging its influence, and I agree this is what's great about it,
> but much of the rest is factually wrong (e.g. we don't use SELinux) and
> I wouldn't recommend an on-hold project for new users except in some
> special cases (education, intent to take code or ideas from Owl, etc.)
> The article also confuses Owl the distro (which is on hold) with the
> rest of what we offer at Openwall (active projects and services).
> I don't know if this article is what brought you to here, but I guess 
> it
> might have.

No but I will have a look at the article.  I was actually looking for a 
non-systemd Fedora-based distro and OWL was the only one result found 

> On Sat, Jul 04, 2020 at 11:19:07AM +1000, Philip Rhoades wrote:
>> OK, I have made a little progress - this my current OWL VM ifcfg-eth0:
>> DEVICE=eth0
>> BOOTPROTO=static
>> DNS1=
>> and this allows me to ping and ssh into it from my F31 workstation but 
>> I
>> still can't ping anything from it . . what am I missing?
> You were correct that you needed to provide static network
> configuration.  This is because Owl is primarily for servers.
> You're probably still missing configuration on your F31 host, where
> you'd need to enable IPv4 forwarding and IP masquerading for traffic
> from these addresses leaving your host.

Right - usually when I use the same version of Fedora for the VM as on 
the host for eg - all that networking is done automatically when the VM 
is created - I will look a bit more closely . .

>> On 2020-07-04 03:10, Philip Rhoades wrote:
>> >I am also interested in using OWL for podman containers - I presume
>> >there will also be a networking issue there too?
> We use OpenVZ containers in Owl, not podman.  I doubt you'd be able to
> easily use podman on Owl.

I am talking about the other way around OWL as the container on the F31 
host - it would be a very nice minimal container . .

> Yes, indeed you need proper network configuration on Owl and on the 
> host
> with the Owl VM for networking from containers on Owl to work.

I am guessing that the networking is still going to be an issue . . I 
will get to that later.

I was really impressed with a Fedora-based iso being so small and fast! 
- it would be nice to see how all of that was accomplished but I am 
busier in retirement (on mostly non-profit stuff) than when I was 
employed . .

Thanks for the feedback!


Philip Rhoades

PO Box 896
Cowra  NSW  2794

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