Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 00:46:33 +0200 From: Paul Schutte <sjpschutte@...il.com> To: musl@...ts.openwall.com Subject: Re: GLOB_BRACE "For us, things are easy. systemd is not meeting a need or doing anything better than the much simpler, more reliable tools we already have." Can you guys maybe point me in the direction of these tools please ? On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Rich Felker <dalias@...ifal.cx> wrote: > On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 04:35:25PM +0200, Luca Barbato wrote: > > On 23/09/13 16:08, Rob Landley wrote: > > > systemd is the second coming of devfsd. A lot of us are waiting for it > > > to blow over. > > > > Given the economic and PR support it won't blow over easily if > > alternatives on par on the PR side won't appear. > > > > Keep in mind that pigs can fly just nicely if propelled adequately. The > > landing could be problematic though. > > The problem is that, for the audience it's designed for, systemd is a > big step up. Previously they were using hideous bash scripts full of > pidfile races for starting and stopping services, etc. > > For us, things are easy. systemd is not meeting a need or doing > anything better than the much simpler, more reliable tools we already > have. But unfortunately there's a risk of it getting imposed on people > who don't need it, and drastically blocking hopes to make the core > system robust, because it's hard to do better than systemd in its own > area, and there are commercially-relevant groups who care about that > area. And of course you have the issue that it's absorbing other > critical components like udev that everybody needs and making it > impossible to use them without systemd. > > Rich > Content of type "text/html" skipped
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