Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 21:15:38 +0000 From: Justin Cormack <justin@...cialbusservice.com> To: musl@...ts.openwall.com Subject: Re: Summary of 1.0 marketing plan/scheme/nefarious plot from IRC. On 29 Nov 2012 20:50, "Rob Landley" <rob@...dley.net> wrote: > > Notes from the discussion we had on IRC, plus some further random thoughts on telling the world about musl: > > - wait until 1.0 so it's most likely to works for them. > - People who take a look and wander off again are less likely to take another look, > so try to make a spash when you're _ready_, not before. > - counter this with "rule of 7", people filter out noise and won't remember they've > even heard of you until they've seen it in ~7 different places. So once you _ARE_ > ready, get the word out everywhere. (Politely.) > > - prepare the website to covert casual browsers into long-term users. > - press release extoling virtues > - simple > - realtime: less code is more deterministic > - security: less code is easier to audit > - students/teachers: learn how a posix system works > - link to the online git browser for the "show me the code" guys. > - already tested against 8 gazillion packages > - standards compliant > - BSD license: static linking ok, android deployment ok > - works side by side with existing libraries, or static linked > - easy deployment on android without bionic limitations > - technical advantages > - support static and dynamic linking and do _both_ well > - thread implementation is _not_crazy_, and no legacy baggage. > > - obvious "start here" from main page. > - Why it's cool (collate) > - how to use it (collate) > - HOWTO walkthrough > > - binaries they can try. > - cross compiler, build hello world > - livecd of full-ish x86 distro. > - with working x11 and simple gui (xfce? fvwm?) > - chroot for each target with native development tools > - system images for qemu maybe? > - launch x11 vnc server and display in tightvnc window? > - jslinux live image on website > > - distro conversions > - leverage existing repositories, don't fall into the buildroot trap > - approach gentoo guys about a musl build > - #gentoo-embedded on freenode > - maybe funtoo would be easier (Daniel Robbins' new project, #funtoo on freenode) > - approach debian guys about musl debootstrap > - arch linux, slackware, puppy, crunchbang, tinycore... > - http://distrowatch.com/popularity > - approach cyanogenmod guys about doing a musl-based cyanogenmod. > - way into man's heart is through the stomach and up under the ribcage, > one way into android is cyanogenmod. > > - push "musl support" patches to other projects upstream all at once > - sabotage collected a bunch? > - people who develop on 3 other project seeing musl on all 3 lists > makes dev community look big and active. > > - Write linux from scratch "musl hint", contribute it to LFS, then link > to it on LFS website from musl website. > > - is userbase of glibc, uClibc, klibc, or dietlibc better served by musl? > - contribute musl option to buildroot? > - contribute musl option to crosstool-ng? > - Ask mentor graphics (formly code sourcery) to do a musl toolchain? > - LOTS of proprietary embedded devs use this one, it's "professional". > - windriver.com is now a wholly owned subsidiary of intel > - klibc guys are initramfs@...r or embedded@...r (see lists) > - ask clibc author Peter Anvin if musl serves his needs? > > - mailing lists you can post a "here's how musl can help _you_" on: > It's not spam if you tailor a post to each list, especially if there's patches > attached in the case of dash or util-linux... > - each architecture list for arches you support (linux-arm, linux-ppc, etc). > "musl is pleased to announce support for the $BLAH architecture, here are > a cross compiler, chroot with native compiler, and a system image to play with." > - http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/mailinglists/lists.php > - http://www.linux-mips.org/wiki/Net_Resources#Mailing_lists > - https://lists.ozlabs.org/listinfo/linuxppc-dev > - http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#linux-x86_64 > - http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#dash > - http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#initramfs > - http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#linux-embedded > - http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#util-linux > - and maybe one "OS support" message to linux-kernel. > > - websites that might review musl if we ask nicely: > - linux > - lwn.net (submit via lwn@....net) > - h-online (ping @codepope on twitter) > - Linux Journal > - Linux Today (they'll just link elsewhere) > - android > - not personally familiar, google for "android news" finds several. > - works well with android kernel, installs side-by-side with bionic, > static links well, doesn't introduce any new licensing issues, > provides full posix environment, active and responsive dev community. > - paper magazines > - long shot, but if you send a press release to pc magazine and computerworld > and such explaining how musl might help android bridge the gap between phones > and the desktop they might write a "will android bridge the gap between phones > and the desktop" article mentioning musl. :) > - tech bloggers > - cringely.com > - Consumer Electronic Linux Forum > - Tim Bird and elinux.org > > - do a musl distro that runs well on raspberry pi, tell http://www.raspberrypi.org/ > > - ask people on mailing list and irc to blog/tweet about the 1.0 release when it > happens. > > - write a syllabus for theoretical "teaching musl" one semester comp-sci cour That's a great list. Also conferences. FOSDEM is in Feb and is a good place talks still open. Will work on what I can... Justin Content of type "text/html" skipped
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