Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:50:03 -0600 From: Rob Landley <rob@...dley.net> To: musl@...ts.openwall.com Subject: Summary of 1.0 marketing plan/scheme/nefarious plot from IRC. Notes from the discussion we had on IRC, plus some further random thoughts on telling the world about musl: - wait until 1.0 so it's most likely to works for them. - People who take a look and wander off again are less likely to take another look, so try to make a spash when you're _ready_, not before. - counter this with "rule of 7", people filter out noise and won't remember they've even heard of you until they've seen it in ~7 different places. So once you _ARE_ ready, get the word out everywhere. (Politely.) - prepare the website to covert casual browsers into long-term users. - press release extoling virtues - simple - realtime: less code is more deterministic - security: less code is easier to audit - students/teachers: learn how a posix system works - link to the online git browser for the "show me the code" guys. - already tested against 8 gazillion packages - standards compliant - BSD license: static linking ok, android deployment ok - works side by side with existing libraries, or static linked - easy deployment on android without bionic limitations - technical advantages - support static and dynamic linking and do _both_ well - thread implementation is _not_crazy_, and no legacy baggage. - obvious "start here" from main page. - Why it's cool (collate) - how to use it (collate) - HOWTO walkthrough - binaries they can try. - cross compiler, build hello world - livecd of full-ish x86 distro. - with working x11 and simple gui (xfce? fvwm?) - chroot for each target with native development tools - system images for qemu maybe? - launch x11 vnc server and display in tightvnc window? - jslinux live image on website - distro conversions - leverage existing repositories, don't fall into the buildroot trap - approach gentoo guys about a musl build - #gentoo-embedded on freenode - maybe funtoo would be easier (Daniel Robbins' new project, #funtoo on freenode) - approach debian guys about musl debootstrap - arch linux, slackware, puppy, crunchbang, tinycore... - http://distrowatch.com/popularity - approach cyanogenmod guys about doing a musl-based cyanogenmod. - way into man's heart is through the stomach and up under the ribcage, one way into android is cyanogenmod. - push "musl support" patches to other projects upstream all at once - sabotage collected a bunch? - people who develop on 3 other project seeing musl on all 3 lists makes dev community look big and active. - Write linux from scratch "musl hint", contribute it to LFS, then link to it on LFS website from musl website. - is userbase of glibc, uClibc, klibc, or dietlibc better served by musl? - contribute musl option to buildroot? - contribute musl option to crosstool-ng? - Ask mentor graphics (formly code sourcery) to do a musl toolchain? - LOTS of proprietary embedded devs use this one, it's "professional". - windriver.com is now a wholly owned subsidiary of intel - klibc guys are initramfs@...r or embedded@...r (see lists) - ask clibc author Peter Anvin if musl serves his needs? - mailing lists you can post a "here's how musl can help _you_" on: It's not spam if you tailor a post to each list, especially if there's patches attached in the case of dash or util-linux... - each architecture list for arches you support (linux-arm, linux-ppc, etc). "musl is pleased to announce support for the $BLAH architecture, here are a cross compiler, chroot with native compiler, and a system image to play with." - http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/mailinglists/lists.php - http://www.linux-mips.org/wiki/Net_Resources#Mailing_lists - https://lists.ozlabs.org/listinfo/linuxppc-dev - http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#linux-x86_64 - http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#dash - http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#initramfs - http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#linux-embedded - http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#util-linux - and maybe one "OS support" message to linux-kernel. - websites that might review musl if we ask nicely: - linux - lwn.net (submit via lwn@....net) - h-online (ping @codepope on twitter) - Linux Journal - Linux Today (they'll just link elsewhere) - android - not personally familiar, google for "android news" finds several. - works well with android kernel, installs side-by-side with bionic, static links well, doesn't introduce any new licensing issues, provides full posix environment, active and responsive dev community. - paper magazines - long shot, but if you send a press release to pc magazine and computerworld and such explaining how musl might help android bridge the gap between phones and the desktop they might write a "will android bridge the gap between phones and the desktop" article mentioning musl. :) - tech bloggers - cringely.com - Consumer Electronic Linux Forum - Tim Bird and elinux.org - do a musl distro that runs well on raspberry pi, tell http://www.raspberrypi.org/ - ask people on mailing list and irc to blog/tweet about the 1.0 release when it happens. - write a syllabus for theoretical "teaching musl" one semester comp-sci course.
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