Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 10:31:32 +0200 From: Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@...gle.com> To: Alexander Potapenko <glider@...gle.com> Cc: Marco Elver <elver@...gle.com>, Jann Horn <jannh@...gle.com>, Kernel Hardening <kernel-hardening@...ts.openwall.com>, Christoph Lameter <cl@...ux.com>, Pekka Enberg <penberg@...nel.org>, David Rientjes <rientjes@...gle.com>, Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@....com>, Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>, Linux-MM <linux-mm@...ck.org>, Andrey Konovalov <andreyknvl@...gle.com>, Will Deacon <will@...nel.org>, kasan-dev <kasan-dev@...glegroups.com>, Kees Cook <keescook@...gle.com> Subject: Re: Kernel hardening project suggestion: Normalizing ->ctor slabs and TYPESAFE_BY_RCU slabs On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 9:24 AM Alexander Potapenko <glider@...gle.com> wrote: > > KFENCE also has to ignore both TYPESAFE_BY_RCU and ctors. > For ctors it should be pretty straightforward to fix (and won't > require any changes to SL[AU]B). Not sure if your proposal for RCU > will also work for KFENCE. Does it work for objects freed by call_rcu in normal slabs? If yes, then I would assume it will work for TYPESAFE_BY_RCU after this change, or is there a difference? > Another beneficiary of RCU/ctor normalization would be > init_on_alloc/init_on_free, which also ignore such slabs. > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 9:18 AM Marco Elver <elver@...gle.com> wrote: > > > > On Tue, 23 Jun 2020 at 08:45, Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@...gle.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 8:26 AM Jann Horn <jannh@...gle.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > > > Here's a project idea for the kernel-hardening folks: > > > > > > > > The slab allocator interface has two features that are problematic for > > > > security testing and/or hardening: > > > > > > > > - constructor slabs: These things come with an object constructor > > > > that doesn't run when an object is allocated, but instead when the > > > > slab allocator grabs a new page from the page allocator. This is > > > > problematic for use-after-free detection mechanisms such as HWASAN and > > > > Memory Tagging, which can only do their job properly if the address of > > > > an object is allowed to change every time the object is > > > > freed/reallocated. (You can't change the address of an object without > > > > reinitializing the entire object because e.g. an empty list_head > > > > points to itself.) > > > > > > > > - RCU slabs: These things basically permit use-after-frees by design, > > > > and stuff like ASAN/HWASAN/Memory Tagging essentially doesn't work on > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > It would be nice to have a config flag or so that changes the SLUB > > > > allocator's behavior such that these slabs can be instrumented > > > > properly. Something like: > > > > > > > > - Let calculate_sizes() reserve space for an rcu_head on each object > > > > in TYPESAFE_BY_RCU slabs, make kmem_cache_free() redirect to > > > > call_rcu() for these slabs, and remove most of the other > > > > special-casing, so that KASAN can instrument these slabs. > > > > - For all constructor slabs, let slab_post_alloc_hook() call the > > > > ->ctor() function on each allocated object, so that Memory Tagging and > > > > HWASAN will work on them. > > > > > > Hi Jann, > > > > > > Both things sound good to me. I think we considered doing the ctor's > > > change with KASAN, but we did not get anywhere. The only argument > > > against it I remember now was "performance", but it's not that > > > important if this mode is enabled only with KASAN and other debugging > > > tools. Performance is definitely not as important as missing bugs. The > > > additional code complexity for ctors change should be minimal. > > > The rcu change would also be useful, but I would assume it will be larger. > > > Please add them to , that's KASAN laundry list. > > > > > > +Alex, Marco, will it be useful for KFENCE  as well? Do ctors/rcu > > > affect KFENCE? Will we need any special handling for KFENCE? > > > I assume it will also be useful for KMSAN b/c we can re-mark objects > > > as uninitialized only after they have been reallocated. > > > > Yes, we definitely need to handle TYPESAFE_BY_RCU. > > > > >  https://bugzilla.kernel.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=__open__&component=Sanitizers&list_id=1063981&product=Memory%20Management > > >  https://github.com/google/kasan/commits/kfence > > > > -- > Alexander Potapenko > Software Engineer > > Google Germany GmbH > Erika-Mann-Straße, 33 > 80636 München > > Geschäftsführer: Paul Manicle, Halimah DeLaine Prado > Registergericht und -nummer: Hamburg, HRB 86891 > Sitz der Gesellschaft: Hamburg
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