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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 11:29:21 -0800
From: Kees Cook <>
To: Laura Abbott <>
Cc: Jann Horn <>, Igor Stoppa <>, 
	Boris Lukashev <>, Christopher Lameter <>, 
	Matthew Wilcox <>, Jerome Glisse <>, 
	Michal Hocko <>, Christoph Hellwig <>, 
	linux-security-module <>, Linux-MM <>, 
	kernel list <>, 
	Kernel Hardening <>, 
	linux-arm-kernel <>
Subject: Re: arm64 physmap (was Re: [PATCH 4/6] Protectable Memory)

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 11:06 AM, Laura Abbott <> wrote:
> On 02/13/2018 01:43 PM, Kees Cook wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 8:09 AM, Laura Abbott <> wrote:
>>> No, arm64 doesn't fixup the aliases, mostly because arm64 uses larger
>>> page sizes which can't be broken down at runtime. CONFIG_PAGE_POISONING
>>> does use 4K pages which could be adjusted at runtime. So yes, you are
>>> right we would have physmap exposure on arm64 as well.
>> Errr, so that means even modules and kernel code are writable via the
>> arm64 physmap? That seems extraordinarily bad. :(
>> -Kees
> (adding linux-arm-kernel and changing the subject)
> Kernel code should be fine, if it isn't that is a bug that should be
> fixed. Modules yes are not fully protected. The conclusion from past

I think that's a pretty serious problem: we can't have aliases with
mismatched permissions; this degrades a deterministic protection
(read-only) to a probabilistic protection (knowing where the alias of
a target is mapped). Having an attack be "needs some info leaks"
instead of "need execution control to change perms" is a much lower
bar, IMO.

> experience has been that we cannot safely break down larger page sizes
> at runtime like x86 does. We could theoretically
> add support for fixing up the alias if PAGE_POISONING is enabled but
> I don't know who would actually use that in production. Performance
> is very poor at that point.

Why does using finer granularity on the physmap degrade performance? I
assume TLB pressure, but what is heavily using that area? (I must not
be understanding what physmap actually gets used for -- I thought it
was just a convenience to have a 1:1 virt/phys map for some lookups?)


Kees Cook
Pixel Security

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