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Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 04:23:46 +0400
From: Solar Designer <solar@...nwall.com>
To: john-users@...ts.openwall.com
Subject: Re: SSHA-512 supported?

On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 04:15:26AM +0400, Solar Designer wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 05:05:29PM -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> > I am thinking that their base64 transformation is not the same as that
> > used by the other OS crypts but is using the old crypt style base64
> > with different letters and a slightly different order of
> > transformation.
> 
> Doesn't sha512crypt use the exact same kind of base 64 encoding that the
> traditional DES crypt did?  The character set and the order of
> characters is certainly the same.  Does the encoding differ in some
> other way?
> 
> So far, I am only aware of bcrypt using its own subtly different
> encoding.  I thought SHA-crypt used the traditional encoding.  No?

Also note that we have two samples with consecutive dots, which means
zeroes in both traditional crypt from late 1970s and SHA-crypt.  Thus,
even if the encoding differed in some other subtle way, we'd immediately
spot a sequence of dots near the correct place.  In the "test" sample,
there are three dots at the end - that's 18 bits.  Even with a slightly
different encoding scheme, we'd probably see at least two dots in a row.

So your theory does not hold.

Alexander

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