Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:39:04 -0500 From: Josh Bressers <bressers@...hat.com> To: oss-security@...ts.openwall.com Subject: Re: welcome > > * Organized - Not a mishmash of undecided people. Have clear goals and > > procedures. > > > > There will be a wiki that contains the static information with respect to > > how things are handled. Some issues that will need deciding are: > > > > 1) How are new members accepted > > 2) When do we kick out unresponsive members > > 3) How do we deal with people who develop bad attitudes > > This sounds good, except that I see no need to "kick out unresponsive > members". If they like to listen to our conversations in real time > (rather than browse the archives) and maybe learn from them - this can > only be good. Of course, active contribution would be even better. > So is this "kick out policy" an attempt to encourage contribution?.. > > Or were you speaking of a vendor-sec equivalent - not this list, but > perhaps yet another list to be created for the small-and-trusted part of > the group? If so, how would that differ from vendor-sec itself? Would > it differ in that any (trusted?) Open Source projects would be accepted, > not just distribution "vendors"? We can probably disregard the whole kick out bits. That really would only apply to a private list that deals with sensitive information. I don't think there is a benefit to creating a private list at this time, as vendor-sec exists and is functional. > > > * Active - discuss flaws (not a bunch of sponges) > > > > We want a group that is responsive and active with respect to the handling > > of flaws. There will always be a subset of members that don't care about > > a certain flaw and this is fine, but if someone is always silent, how are > > they a benefit? Members should be encouraged to participate in > > discussions and analysis. > > The same comments apply here. > > Yes, we would like to see a lot of active members, but do we really need > to kick out the sponges, would that be of benefit? No, there isn't a benefit in this instance. I do think that encouraging everyone to contribute in some meaningful manner is a good goal. Anytime you have a list full of smart people, the new people are usually quite intimidated and afraid to engage. We need to be mindful of this. > > > * Educate - many open source groups suck at security > > > > Create several documents that are helpful to the open source community > > > > 1) How to report a security flaw > > 2) How to accept security reports from researchers > > 3) Basic ideas behind having a security response team > > Right - all of this should go on the wiki, and any discussions may occur > in here. Yes. I have some notes on this as well. I've been pondering how best to present this data for quite some time, and have unsuccessfully peddled a presentation to several conferences.. I'll have to dig out my old notes (which really means find them in the file ghetto that is my ~). Thanks for the feedback. -- JB
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