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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 12:01:36 -0600 (CST)
From: Ariadne Conill <>
cc: Rich Felker <>
Subject: Re: A journey of weird file sorting and desktop systems


On Fri, 28 Jan 2022, ellie wrote:

> I don't think nowadays the majority of users should be expected to be 
> traditional *nix users with terminal knowledge anymore. And most modern 
> desktop distros don't default to such a sorting as far as I can tell, and 
> instead to en_US or alike - but all those which use musl are left stranded 
> with "C" sorting. The type of users who are hit most by this are not going to 
> be the type who know what a terminal is, what musl is, or how to voice their 
> opinion on LC_COLLATE because their file manager looks so weird. So if you 
> want them to show up here that probably won't happen. Beyond myself, I 
> suppose.
> I think for a typical user-friendly desktop the need is kinda clear, so I'm 
> not sure what other sort of setting would need to be introduced still. If 
> musl is meant to be used on desktop distros, this just seems kind of 
> mandatory, or I'm not really getting why it wouldn't be.
> My apologies however if I'm misunderstanding, but that was basically your 
> question/what you're saying is delaying it, right? Sorry if you didn't want 
> further input from me on this, I hope I read your e-mail right

LC_COLLATE is a desired feature in musl, but getting it right is going to 
take some work.  We should want to be careful about it because we want to 
avoid having giant tables, or some plug-in architecture like GLIBC has, 
which was recently at the center of the pwnkit debacle.


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