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Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 10:26:24 -0600
From: Ariadne Conill <ariadne@...eferenced.org>
To: musl@...ts.openwall.com, Jeffrey Walton <noloader@...il.com>
Subject: Re: Re: OS detection wrong on Alpine Linux 3.10
Hello,
On 2020-09-23 10:16, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 12:08 PM Rich Felker <dalias@...c.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 09:13:16AM -0400, James Y Knight wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> All I need to know is what version of Musl I am dealing with and I can
>>>>> configure myself.
>>>>
>>>> Are you willing to maintain an #ifdef forest for all the versions of
>>>> all the libcs and all the kernels your programs may be used with, so
>>>> you can list exhaustively the available features in every configuration?
>>>
>>> At the risk of jumping in on a question asked of someone else: yes,
>>> absolutely! (Not _all_ available features of course, just the ones
>>> required.)
>>>
>>> There are generally not that many nonstandard features you'd want to use in
>>> a typical program, and using an ifdef forest to implement an abstraction
>>> layer around those couple items is just fine.
>>
>> I can't know whether you're "willing", but you're definitely not
>> willing and able. "All the..." includes people's personal projects
>> (from scratch or patches to existing ones) that you will never see,
>> future systems that come into existence long past your involvement in
>> the project or even your lifetime, etc.
>
> Unless something has changed recently, Botan, Crypto++ and OpenSSL are
> still being carried by most Linux distributions. OpenSSL is also
> regularly distributed as part of other OSes, like AIX, Android, BSDs,
> iOS, OS X and Solaris.
>
> And unlike some other projects,[1] Botan, Crypto++ and OpenSSL
> actually work in practice on all the platforms without a configuration
> program that performs feature tests.
You are dead wrong on this topic. OpenSSL actually goes the other way
and performs absolutely wacky tests like "are we running on big-endian
amd64." Any cryptography library is going to have to perform feature
tests (either at build time or run time) to determine whether features
like hardware acceleration are possible.
> [1] the Rust compiler comes to mind here. It works on Linux x86_64,
> but it's hit or miss whether it works or not on other architectures
> like ARMv7, Aarch64 and PowerPC, even after an approved configuration
> program is run.
Cargo is capable of doing build-time configuration tests. If a crate
fails to properly run tests, it is not because the Rust ecosystem works
as you believe it does.
Ariadne
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