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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 20:42:27 -0500
From: Segher Boessenkool <>
To: Joseph Myers <>
Cc: Will Springer <>,,,,,,,
Subject: Re: ppc64le and 32-bit LE userland compatibility

Hi Joseph,

On Mon, Jun 01, 2020 at 09:28:25PM +0000, Joseph Myers wrote:
> On Fri, 29 May 2020, Will Springer via Binutils wrote:
> > Hey all, a couple of us over in #talos-workstation on freenode have been
> > working on an effort to bring up a Linux PowerPC userland that runs in 32-bit
> > little-endian mode, aka ppcle. As far as we can tell, no ABI has ever been
> > designated for this (unless you count the patchset from a decade ago [1]), so
> > it's pretty much uncharted territory as far as Linux is concerned. We want to
> > sync up with libc and the relevant kernel folks to establish the best path
> > forward.
> As a general comment on the glibc side of things, if this is considered 
> like a new port, and it probably is, the same principles that apply to new 
> ports apply here.
> There's a general discussion at 
> <>, although much of that is 
> only applicable when adding new CPU architecture support.  More specific 
> points include that new 32-bit ports should default to 64-bit time and 
> file offsets from the start, with no support for 32-bit time or offsets 
> (meaning that if you want to use this with some kind of library call 
> translation, the library call translation will need to deal with 
> corresponding type size conversions).

Either that, or use the same as BE 32-bit PowerPC Linux, I'd say (it
won't make things worse, and if it is easier?)  But preferably the
newer, better, thing of course :-)

> And a new port should not be added 
> that uses the IBM long double format.  You can use IEEE binary128 long 
> double, possibly with an ABI similar to that used on powerpc64le, or can 
> use long double = double, but should not support IBM long double, and 
> preferably should only have one long double format rather than using the 
> glibc support for building with different options resulting in functions 
> for different long double formats being called.

You cannot use IEEE QP float ("binary128") here, but more on that in a
later post.

(I so very much agree about the problems having more than one long
double format -- on the other hand, you'll just share it with BE, and
with the existing powerpcle-linux (sup)port).


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