Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 12:32:21 +1000 From: Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@...il.com> To: Rich Felker <dalias@...c.org> Cc: Adhemerval Zanella <adhemerval.zanella@...aro.org>, libc-alpha@...rceware.org, libc-dev@...ts.llvm.org, linuxppc-dev@...ts.ozlabs.org, musl@...ts.openwall.com Subject: Re: Powerpc Linux 'scv' system call ABI proposal take 2 Excerpts from Rich Felker's message of April 20, 2020 11:34 am: > On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:10:25AM +1000, Nicholas Piggin wrote: >> Excerpts from Rich Felker's message of April 17, 2020 4:31 am: >> > Note that because lr is clobbered we need at least once normally >> > call-clobbered register that's not syscall clobbered to save lr in. >> > Otherwise stack frame setup is required to spill it. >> >> The kernel would like to use r9-r12 for itself. We could do with fewer >> registers, but we have some delay establishing the stack (depends on a >> load which depends on a mfspr), and entry code tends to be quite store >> heavy whereas on the caller side you have r1 set up (modulo stack >> updates), and the system call is a long delay during which time the >> store queue has significant time to drain. >> >> My feeling is it would be better for kernel to have these scratch >> registers. > > If your new kernel syscall mechanism requires the caller to make a > whole stack frame it otherwise doesn't need and spill registers to it, > it becomes a lot less attractive. Some of those 90 cycles saved are > immediately lost on the userspace side, plus you either waste icache > at the call point or require the syscall to go through a > userspace-side helper function that performs the spill and restore. You would be surprised how few cycles that takes on a high end CPU. Some might be a couple of %. I am one for counting cycles mind you, I'm not being flippant about it. If we can come up with something faster I'd be up for it. > > The right way to do this is to have the kernel preserve enough > registers that userspace can avoid having any spills. It doesn't have > to preserve everything, probably just enough to save lr. (BTW are Again, the problem is the kernel doesn't have its dependencies immediately ready to spill, and spilling (may be) more costly immediately after the call because we're doing a lot of stores. I could try measure this. Unfortunately our pipeline simulator tool doesn't model system calls properly so it's hard to see what's happening across the user/kernel horizon, I might check if that can be improved or I can hack it by putting some isync in there or something. > syscall arg registers still preserved? If not, this is a major cost on > the userspace side, since any call point that has to loop-and-retry > (e.g. futex) now needs to make its own place to store the original > values.) Powerpc system calls never did. We could have scv preserve them, but you'd still need to restore r3. We could make an ABI which does not clobber r3 but puts the return value in r9, say. I'd like to see what the user side code looks like to take advantage of such a thing though. Thanks, Nick
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