Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 10:00:11 -0600 From: Assaf Gordon <assafgordon@...il.com> To: musl@...ts.openwall.com, Markus Wichmann <nullplan@....net> Subject: Re: future of compiler wrappers Hello, On 02/07/18 09:28 AM, Markus Wichmann wrote: > On Sun, Jul 01, 2018 at 08:11:50PM -0400, Rich Felker wrote: >> [...] I expressed a sentiment that the compiler wrapper scripts tend to >> reflect badly on musl, and that I'd really rather not keep maintaining >> them but pass maintainership of them off to someone else as a separate >> project for users who still want to use them. [...] > > By all means, nuke them. Cross-compilers are the way to go in OS > development, as well, and pretty much for the same reason: You want to > insulate your compilate from the host environment. So yes, in the words > of William Shatner: Let them die! A slightly different POV, as someone who is not very familiar with the nitty-gritty of cross-compliation setup: The current setup of having "musl-gcc" with a simple "make install" is invaluable for testing various programs for portability, i.e. it is a clean and easy way to build programs against a different libc, even if the host is using glibc. As a secondary bonus, it also allows building static binaries very easily. Now that is of course the simple case, and I'm only using it on x86-64, but I'm using it alot. I don't know how mips/ppcs and/or cross-compliation complicate things (I understand that they do...). If musl-gcc is gone, I'd guess the next best (easiest) thing is running alpine linux in docker / VM and build locally there? Still not very complicated, but seems like an order of magnitude more demanding than having "musl-gcc". There is ELLCC, but it's been almost a year since the last release - is it being actively maintained? even if so, it requires a heavy compilation phase to setup everything. If "musl-gcc" s relegated to an external package/repository but is still easy to install - great. But if it is completely removed or abandoned, it would be missed... by me at least. I'm sadly not an expert enough on compilers or cross-compliations to maintain it, but I can help with automated testing and bug reporting if it becomes a separate package. regards, - gordon
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