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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 20:49:30 -0400
From: Rich Felker <dalias@...c.org>
To: musl@...ts.openwall.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] s390x: Add single instruction math functions
On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 01:12:15PM -0400, David Edelsohn wrote:
> How can we move forward with this patch?
>
> I would prefer to avoid the __ARCH__ complexity until there is a clear
> user requirement.
>
> Thanks, David
Rob Landley informed me that the s390x environment he's building with
mkroot (https://github.com/landley/mkroot) for testing under qemu
system level emulation is running a kernel built for z900. If qemu can
emulate newer machines, this may just be an oversight that can be
changes by reconfiguring, but it does indicate that z900 seems to be
supported by kernel, and that there's at least someone using the
baseline ISA level now.
For what it's worth I agree that we've spent an inordinate amount of
time on this topic, and I apologize. I just don't want it to turn into
a regression.
Rich
> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 7:44 PM, Rich Felker <dalias@...c.org> wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 09:28:52AM -0400, David Edelsohn wrote:
> >> >> The following IBM table of supported and tested systems
> >> >>
> >> >> https://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/linux/resources/testedplatforms.html
> >> >>
> >> >> shows that RHEL 7 and SLES 12 require at least z196, and Ubuntu 16.04
> >> >> requires at least zEC12.
> >> >>
> >> >> I can't find any official hardware requirements description for Alpine
> >> >> Linux. I tend to doubt that user would run it on older hardware,
> >> >> especially hardware no longer supported by other, modern Linux
> >> >> distributions.
> >> >>
> >> >> Building musl libc on older hardware is a nice accomplishment, but
> >> >> investing effort and complexity to maintain support probably isn't
> >> >> useful to any musl libc user and probably isn't a productive use of
> >> >> developer resources.
> >> >>
> >> >> I will continue to inquire if there is a simple technique to accomplish this.
> >>
> >> Apparently GCC 7.1 added architecture macros.
> >>
> >> As Tuan referenced, Alpine Linux also requires z196 as the minimum
> >> architecture level. I believe that it would be better for s390-musl
> >> to default to z196 ISA than musl to require GCC 7.1.
> >
> > I agree we shouldn't "require GCC 7.1", but using the macros does not
> > imply such a requirement. For example:
> >
> > #if __ARCH__ >= 10
> >
> > would only use the asm on z196+ (if I got the number right) with GCC
> > 7.1+ (no asm on older compilers), whereas:
> >
> > #if __ARCH__ >= 10 || !defined(__ARCH__)
> >
> > would use the asm on z196+ or on compilers too old to provide __ARCH__
> > (and building for a more minimal baseline ISA would not be supported
> > on such compilers unless you manually add -D__ARCH__=5 or whatever to
> > CFLAGS).
> >
> > I'm fine with waiting to add those pp conditionals until if/when
> > someone actually wants to use the lower baseline ISA, if you don't
> > want to do it now. I am hesitant to add new ISA-forcing logic to
> > configure, though (see the other reply on that). Would it be bad to
> > have the build fail with low default -march? If so, maybe the
> > configure logic could check for !defined(__ARCH__) and then do a
> > compile test to define __ARCH__ on its own, and we could use the above
> > logic?
> >
> > Rich
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