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Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2016 19:14:34 -0500
From: Pedro Giffuni <>
To: Rich Felker <>
Subject: Re: FreeBSD's Google Summer of Code 2016

On 03/05/16 18:32, Rich Felker wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 05, 2016 at 05:41:25PM -0500, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
>> First of all, great to hear there is interest on the musl side too.
>> I think the biggest precedent of porting linux-oriented C libraries
>> came from Debian's kFreeBSD. We accomodated a little by for them
>> by defining __FreeBSD_kernel__ in sys/param.h.
>> While using the optional linux-abi futex in FreeBSD could be an option,
>> it is not really the cleanest option. The Debian guys did a port of
>> NPTL using regular pthreads:

Of course I ahould have meant "based on regular FreeBSD kernel services".

>> I am certain this will require more research but it would be useful
>> for other ports as well.

We could ask Petr Salinger for the details, but I am pretty sure
FreeBSD has the required functionality natively.

> Glibc/NPTL has a lot of what I'd call "gratuitous abstraction" (like
> the lll stuff) in their pthread primitives which makes this
> "possible". I call it gratuitous because it's really really hard to
> achieve correct implementations of the pthread sync primitives that
> don't have serious corner-case bugs, and it's unlikely that their
> abstractions actually suffice to make correct alternate
> implementations.
> musl does not have any such abstraction. We require a compare-and-swap
> operation or equivalent on which arbitrary atomic operations can be
> constructed, a futex or equivalent operation that's roughly
> while(*addr==expected) sleep(), and implement all the sync primitives
> just once on top of these.

I am not a threading expert (or even a CS guy), but it sounds like
mutex(9) with condvar(9) would do [1]:



[1] You can watch the manpages here:

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