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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 17:27:11 +0200
From: Luca Barbato <>
Subject: Re: GLOB_BRACE

On 23/09/13 17:03, Rich Felker wrote:
> The problem is that, for the audience it's designed for, systemd is a
> big step up. Previously they were using hideous bash scripts full of
> pidfile races for starting and stopping services, etc.

That part is getting fun since nowadays to get something done you have
to use bash again even within units since whoever thought about the
format didn't consider some real world needs ...

> For us, things are easy. systemd is not meeting a need or doing
> anything better than the much simpler, more reliable tools we already
> have.

Our fault for not promoting them well enough I guess...

> But unfortunately there's a risk of it getting imposed on people
> who don't need it, and drastically blocking hopes to make the core
> system robust, because it's hard to do better than systemd in its own
> area, and there are commercially-relevant groups who care about that
> area.

Yeah, better PR is all the alternative lacks.

> And of course you have the issue that it's absorbing other
> critical components like udev that everybody needs and making it
> impossible to use them without systemd.

Luckily eudev solved that problem for now (I'm starting to wonder if who
ventured to say that the project got so much bashing for this strategic


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