Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 23:51:54 +0200 From: aep <aep@...s.org> To: <musl@...ts.openwall.com> Subject: Re: Vision for new platform On Mon, 21 May 2012 17:18:47 -0400, Rich Felker wrote: > but when it comes down to it, > in order for anything to work _right_, you need GNOME. I'm afraid, that's the consistency i was talking about. Gnome or KDE are the only FDO choices available. I can fully understand the decision not to support my pile of hacks i call work environment, because the only fully understood and properly researched (with actual real scientists, not bloggers) work environment is microsoft windows. There is nothing wrong with business decisions. The only grudge i hold is that this entirely destroyed any fun in linux as a hobby for me. > This placed an unnecessary > burden on the desktop environment/file manager to get things right The middleware bloatup here is just an artifact of the lack of policy in the lower stack, indeed. It requires discipline that all of the free workforce out there just lacks, so you need guys like canonical to pour money in the pipe, and they typically fund the cheap high school kids with no experience in system design but lots of confidence. It also requires tons of manhours in testing, in order to get it working on all of the trillions of permutations of configurations. It's not something you just hack away in your lunch break. > remember HAL? It went away before i finished laughing. > That's why I think, to be viable and relevant Yes of course. I couldn't agree more. All i'm trying to do is tell you, is that it's bloody hard. But talking to the guy who had the balls to rebuild a libc from scratch, it's possible you might just be able to pull it of. Just put the bar a bit lower. Targeting existing desktop users isn't all that desirable. They're perfectly happy with the UI's that canonical provides for them. And it's a good thing these people like their universe and everything, just like Drepper still has friends. Arvid
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