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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2020 00:17:48 +0200
From: Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>
To: "Madhavan T. Venkataraman" <madvenka@...ux.microsoft.com>
Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com>,
kernel-hardening@...ts.openwall.com, linux-api@...r.kernel.org,
linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org, linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org,
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linux-security-module@...r.kernel.org, oleg@...hat.com,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 0/4] [RFC] Implement Trampoline File Descriptor
Hi!
> Thanks for the lively discussion. I have tried to answer some of the
> comments below.
> > There are options today, e.g.
> >
> > a) If the restriction is only per-alias, you can have distinct aliases
> > where one is writable and another is executable, and you can make it
> > hard to find the relationship between the two.
> >
> > b) If the restriction is only temporal, you can write instructions into
> > an RW- buffer, transition the buffer to R--, verify the buffer
> > contents, then transition it to --X.
> >
> > c) You can have two processes A and B where A generates instrucitons into
> > a buffer that (only) B can execute (where B may be restricted from
> > making syscalls like write, mprotect, etc).
>
> The general principle of the mitigation is W^X. I would argue that
> the above options are violations of the W^X principle. If they are
> allowed today, they must be fixed. And they will be. So, we cannot
> rely on them.
Would you mind describing your threat model?
Because I believe you are using model different from everyone else.
In particular, I don't believe b) is a problem or should be fixed.
I'll add d), application mmaps a file(R--), and uses write syscall to change
trampolines in it.
> b) This is again a violation. The kernel should refuse to give execute
> ???????? permission to a page that was writeable in the past and refuse to
> ???????? give write permission to a page that was executable in the past.
Why?
Pavel
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