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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 17:11:39 -0400
From: Joel Fernandes <joel@...lfernandes.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.ibm.com>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@...hat.com>, Jann Horn <jannh@...gle.com>,
Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@...ssion.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
Android Kernel Team <kernel-team@...roid.com>,
Kernel Hardening <kernel-hardening@...ts.openwall.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@...radead.org>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@...e.com>,
"Reshetova, Elena" <elena.reshetova@...el.com>,
Alan Stern <stern@...land.harvard.edu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Convert struct pid count to refcount_t
Thanks a lot Alan and Paul for the replies. I replied inline.
On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 02:55:31PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 10:36:39PM -0400, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 10:37:07AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 05:26:42PM +0100, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > > > On 03/28, Jann Horn wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Since we're just talking about RCU stuff now, adding Paul McKenney to
> > > > > the thread.
> > > >
> > > > Since you added Paul let me add more confusion to this thread ;)
> > >
> > > Woo-hoo!!! More confusion! Bring it on!!! ;-)
> >
> > Nice to take part in the confusion fun too!!! ;-)
> >
> > > > There were some concerns about the lack of barriers in put_pid(), but I can't
> > > > find that old discussion and I forgot the result of that discussion...
> > > >
> > > > Paul, could you confirm that this code
> > > >
> > > > CPU_0 CPU_1
> > > >
> > > > X = 1; if (READ_ONCE(Y))
> > > > mb(); X = 2;
> > > > Y = 1; BUG_ON(X != 2);
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > is correct? I think it is, control dependency pairs with mb(), right?
> > >
> > > The BUG_ON() is supposed to happen at the end of time, correct?
> > > As written, there is (in the strict sense) a data race between the load
> > > of X in the BUG_ON() and CPU_0's store to X. In a less strict sense,
> > > you could of course argue that this data race is harmless, especially
> > > if X is a single byte. But the more I talk to compiler writers, the
> > > less comfortable I become with data races in general. :-/
> > >
> > > So I would also feel better if the "Y = 1" was WRITE_ONCE().
> > >
> > > On the other hand, this is a great opportunity to try out Alan Stern's
> > > prototype plain-accesses patch to the Linux Kernel Memory Model (LKMM)!
> > >
> > > https://lkml.kernel.org/r/Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1903191459270.1593-200000@iolanthe.rowland.org
> > >
> > > Also adding Alan on CC.
> > >
> > > Here is what I believe is the litmus test that your are interested in:
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > C OlegNesterov-put_pid
> > >
> > > {}
> > >
> > > P0(int *x, int *y)
> > > {
> > > *x = 1;
> > > smp_mb();
> > > *y = 1;
> > > }
> > >
> > > P1(int *x, int *y)
> > > {
> > > int r1;
> > >
> > > r1 = READ_ONCE(*y);
> > > if (r1)
> > > *x = 2;
> > > }
> > >
> > > exists (1:r1=1 /\ ~x=2)
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Running this through herd with Alan's patch detects the data race
> > > and says that the undesired outcome is allowed:
> > >
> > > $ herd7 -conf linux-kernel.cfg /tmp/OlegNesterov-put_pid.litmus
> > > Test OlegNesterov-put_pid Allowed
> > > States 3
> > > 1:r1=0; x=1;
> > > 1:r1=1; x=1;
> > > 1:r1=1; x=2;
> > > Ok
> > > Witnesses
> > > Positive: 1 Negative: 2
> > > Flag data-race
> > > Condition exists (1:r1=1 /\ not (x=2))
> > > Observation OlegNesterov-put_pid Sometimes 1 2
> > > Time OlegNesterov-put_pid 0.00
> > > Hash=a3e0043ad753effa860fea37eeba0a76
> > >
> > > Using WRITE_ONCE() for P0()'s store to y still allows this outcome,
> > > although it does remove the "Flag data-race".
> > >
> > > Using WRITE_ONCE() for both P0()'s store to y and P1()'s store to x
> > > gets rid of both the "Flag data-race" and the undesired outcome:
> > >
> > > $ herd7 -conf linux-kernel.cfg /tmp/OlegNesterov-put_pid-WO-WO.litmus
> > > Test OlegNesterov-put_pid-WO-WO Allowed
> > > States 2
> > > 1:r1=0; x=1;
> > > 1:r1=1; x=2;
> > > No
> > > Witnesses
> > > Positive: 0 Negative: 2
> > > Condition exists (1:r1=1 /\ not (x=2))
> > > Observation OlegNesterov-put_pid-WO-WO Never 0 2
> > > Time OlegNesterov-put_pid-WO-WO 0.01
> > > Hash=6e1643e3c5e4739b590bde0a8e8a918e
> > >
> > > Here is the corresponding litmus test, in case I messed something up:
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > C OlegNesterov-put_pid-WO-WO
> > >
> > > {}
> > >
> > > P0(int *x, int *y)
> > > {
> > > *x = 1;
> > > smp_mb();
> > > WRITE_ONCE(*y, 1);
> > > }
> > >
> > > P1(int *x, int *y)
> > > {
> > > int r1;
> > >
> > > r1 = READ_ONCE(*y);
> > > if (r1)
> > > WRITE_ONCE(*x, 2);
> > > }
> > >
> > > exists (1:r1=1 /\ ~x=2)
> >
> > I ran the above examples too. Its a bit confusing to me why the WRITE_ONCE in
> > P0() is required, and why would the READ_ONCE / WRITE_ONCE in P1() not be
> > sufficient to prevent the exists condition. Shouldn't the compiler know that,
> > in P0(), it should not reorder the store to y=1 before the x=1 because there
> > is an explicit barrier between the 2 stores? Looks me to me like a broken
> > compiler :-|.
> >
> > So I would have expected the following litmus to result in Never, but it
> > doesn't with Alan's patch:
> >
> > P0(int *x, int *y)
> > {
> > *x = 1;
> > smp_mb();
> > *y = 1;
> > }
> >
> > P1(int *x, int *y)
> > {
> > int r1;
> >
> > r1 = READ_ONCE(*y);
> > if (r1)
> > WRITE_ONCE(*x, 2);
> > }
> >
> > exists (1:r1=1 /\ ~x=2)
>
> The problem is that the compiler can turn both of P0()'s writes into reads:
>
> P0(int *x, int *y)
> {
> if (*x != 1)
> *x = 1;
> smp_mb();
> if (*y != 1)
> *y = 1;
> }
>
> These reads will not be ordered by smp_wmb(), so you have to do WRITE_ONCE()
> to get an iron-clad ordering guarantee.
But the snippet above has smp_mb() which does order writes, even for the
plain accesses.
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > > If not, then put_pid() needs atomic_read_acquire() as it was proposed in that
> > > > discussion.
> > >
> > > Good point, let's try with smp_load_acquire() in P1():
> > >
> > > $ herd7 -conf linux-kernel.cfg /tmp/OlegNesterov-put_pid-WO-sla.litmus
> > > Test OlegNesterov-put_pid-WO-sla Allowed
> > > States 2
> > > 1:r1=0; x=1;
> > > 1:r1=1; x=2;
> > > No
> > > Witnesses
> > > Positive: 0 Negative: 2
> > > Condition exists (1:r1=1 /\ not (x=2))
> > > Observation OlegNesterov-put_pid-WO-sla Never 0 2
> > > Time OlegNesterov-put_pid-WO-sla 0.01
> > > Hash=4fb0276eabf924793dec1970199db3a6
> > >
> > > This also works. Here is the litmus test:
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > C OlegNesterov-put_pid-WO-sla
> > >
> > > {}
> > >
> > > P0(int *x, int *y)
> > > {
> > > *x = 1;
> > > smp_mb();
> > > WRITE_ONCE(*y, 1);
> > > }
> > >
> > > P1(int *x, int *y)
> > > {
> > > int r1;
> > >
> > > r1 = smp_load_acquire(y);
> > > if (r1)
> > > *x = 2;
> > > }
> > >
> > > exists (1:r1=1 /\ ~x=2)
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Demoting P0()'s WRITE_ONCE() to a plain write while leaving P1()'s
> > > smp_load_acquire() gets us a data race and allows the undesired
> > > outcome:
> >
> > Yeah, I think this is also what I was confused about above, is why is that
> > WRITE_ONCE required in P0() because there's already an smp_mb there. Surely
> > I'm missing something. ;-)
>
> The first of P0()'s writes can be a plain write, at least assuming
> sufficient synchronization to avoid the data race. But turning the second
> of P0()'s writes into a plain write is a bit riskier: That is a write of
> a constant, and those really are torn in some cases on some architectures.
> Like x86, for example.
I understand. Are we talking about load/store tearing being the issue here?
Even under load/store tearing, I feel the program will produce correct
results because r1 is either 0 or 1 (a single bit cannot be torn).
Further, from the herd simulator output (below), according to the "States",
r1==1 means P1() AFAICS would have already finished the the read and set the
r1 register to 1. Then I am wondering why it couldn't take the branch to set
*x to 2. According to herd, r1 == 1 AND x == 1 is a perfectly valid state
for the below program. I still couldn't see in my mind how for the below
program, this is possible - in terms of compiler optimizations or other kinds
of ordering. Because there is a smp_mb() between the 2 plain writes in P0()
and P1() did establish that r1 is 1 in the positive case. :-/. I am surely
missing something :-)
---8<-----------------------
C Joel-put_pid
{}
P0(int *x, int *y)
{
*x = 1;
smp_mb();
*y = 1;
}
P1(int *x, int *y)
{
int r1;
r1 = READ_ONCE(*y);
if (r1)
WRITE_ONCE(*x, 2);
}
exists (1:r1=1 /\ ~x=2)
---8<-----------------------
Output:
Test Joel-put_pid Allowed
States 3
1:r1=0; x=1;
1:r1=1; x=1; <-- Can't figure out why r1=1 and x != 2 here.
1:r1=1; x=2;
Ok
Witnesses
Positive: 1 Negative: 2
Flag data-race
Condition exists (1:r1=1 /\ not (x=2))
Observation Joel-put_pid Sometimes 1 2
Time OlegNesterov-put_pid-WO-WO 0.01
Hash=c7bdd50418d42779b7c10ba9128369df
> > > $ herd7 -conf linux-kernel.cfg /tmp/OlegNesterov-put_pid-sla.litmus
> > > Test OlegNesterov-put_pid-sla Allowed
> > > States 3
> > > 1:r1=0; x=1;
> > > 1:r1=1; x=1;
> > > 1:r1=1; x=2;
> > > Ok
> > > Witnesses
> > > Positive: 1 Negative: 2
> > > Flag data-race
> > > Condition exists (1:r1=1 /\ not (x=2))
> > > Observation OlegNesterov-put_pid-sla Sometimes 1 2
> > > Time OlegNesterov-put_pid-sla 0.01
> > > Hash=ec6f71f3d9f7cd6e45a874c872e3d946
> > >
> > > But what if you are certain that the compiler cannot mess up your use
> > > of plain C-language loads and stores? Then simply tell LKMM that they
> > > are READ_ONCE() and WRITE_ONCE(), respectively. LKMM is admittedly
> > > somewhat paranoid, but real C compilers really do tear stores of certain
> > > constants on systems (like x86) that have store-immediate instructions,
> > > so a bit of paranoia is not misplaced here. ;-)
> > >
> > > Plus please note that this patch to LKMM is prototype and thus subject
> > > to change.
> >
> > Ah I see. Appreciate if Alan can also CC me on future posting of this since
> > I'm quite interested. ;-)
>
> His last posting should be easy to find. But please let me know if not,
> as I would be happy to send it along.
I found it and I'm going through it. Thanks!
- Joel
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