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Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 14:02:12 -0700
From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>
To: Igor Stoppa <igor.stoppa@...il.com>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@...radead.org>, Tycho Andersen <tycho@...ho.ws>,
Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
Mimi Zohar <zohar@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>, Dave Chinner <david@...morbit.com>,
James Morris <jmorris@...ei.org>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@...nel.org>,
Kernel Hardening <kernel-hardening@...ts.openwall.com>,
linux-integrity <linux-integrity@...r.kernel.org>,
linux-security-module <linux-security-module@...r.kernel.org>,
Igor Stoppa <igor.stoppa@...wei.com>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...ux.intel.com>,
Jonathan Corbet <corbet@....net>, Laura Abbott <labbott@...hat.com>,
Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@...radead.org>,
Mike Rapoport <rppt@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
"open list:DOCUMENTATION" <linux-doc@...r.kernel.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 10/17] prmem: documentation
> On Oct 30, 2018, at 1:43 PM, Igor Stoppa <igor.stoppa@...il.com> wrote:
>
>> On 30/10/2018 21:20, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
>>> On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 12:28:41PM -0600, Tycho Andersen wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 10:58:14AM -0700, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 10:06:51AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2018, at 9:37 AM, Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org> wrote:
>>>>> I support the addition of a rare-write mechanism to the upstream kernel.
>>>>> And I think that there is only one sane way to implement it: using an
>>>>> mm_struct. That mm_struct, just like any sane mm_struct, should only
>>>>> differ from init_mm in that it has extra mappings in the *user* region.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to understand this approach a little better. In a syscall path,
>>>> we run with the user task's mm. What you're proposing is that when we
>>>> want to modify rare data, we switch to rare_mm which contains a
>>>> writable mapping to all the kernel data which is rare-write.
>>>>
>>>> So the API might look something like this:
>>>>
>>>> void *p = rare_alloc(...); /* writable pointer */
>>>> p->a = x;
>>>> q = rare_protect(p); /* read-only pointer */
>
> With pools and memory allocated from vmap_areas, I was able to say
>
> protect(pool)
>
> and that would do a swipe on all the pages currently in use.
> In the SELinux policyDB, for example, one doesn't really want to individually protect each allocation.
>
> The loading phase happens usually at boot, when the system can be assumed to be sane (one might even preload a bare-bone set of rules from initramfs and then replace it later on, with the full blown set).
>
> There is no need to process each of these tens of thousands allocations and initialization as write-rare.
>
> Would it be possible to do the same here?
I don’t see why not, although getting the API right will be a tad complicated.
>
>>>>
>>>> To subsequently modify q,
>>>>
>>>> p = rare_modify(q);
>>>> q->a = y;
>>>
>>> Do you mean
>>>
>>> p->a = y;
>>>
>>> here? I assume the intent is that q isn't writable ever, but that's
>>> the one we have in the structure at rest.
>> Yes, that was my intent, thanks.
>> To handle the list case that Igor has pointed out, you might want to
>> do something like this:
>> list_for_each_entry(x, &xs, entry) {
>> struct foo *writable = rare_modify(entry);
>
> Would this mapping be impossible to spoof by other cores?
>
Indeed. Only the core with the special mm loaded could see it.
But I dislike allowing regular writes in the protected region. We really only need four write primitives:
1. Just write one value. Call at any time (except NMI).
2. Just copy some bytes. Same as (1) but any number of bytes.
3,4: Same as 1 and 2 but must be called inside a special rare write region. This is purely an optimization.
Actually getting a modifiable pointer should be disallowed for two reasons:
1. Some architectures may want to use a special write-different-address-space operation. Heck, x86 could, too: make the actual offset be a secret and shove the offset into FSBASE or similar. Then %fs-prefixed writes would do the rare writes.
2. Alternatively, x86 could set the U bit. Then the actual writes would use the uaccess helpers, giving extra protection via SMAP.
We don’t really want a situation where an unchecked pointer in the rare write region completely defeats the mechanism.
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