Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 12:14:50 -0700 From: Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org> To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net> Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@...radead.org>, Nadav Amit <nadav.amit@...il.com>, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>, Igor Stoppa <igor.stoppa@...il.com>, Mimi Zohar <zohar@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>, Dave Chinner <david@...morbit.com>, James Morris <jmorris@...ei.org>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@...nel.org>, Kernel Hardening <kernel-hardening@...ts.openwall.com>, linux-integrity <linux-integrity@...r.kernel.org>, linux-security-module <linux-security-module@...r.kernel.org>, Igor Stoppa <igor.stoppa@...wei.com>, Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...ux.intel.com>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@....net>, Laura Abbott <labbott@...hat.com>, Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@...radead.org>, Mike Rapoport <rppt@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>, "open list:DOCUMENTATION" <linux-doc@...r.kernel.org>, LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de> Subject: Re: [PATCH 10/17] prmem: documentation On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 11:51 AM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net> wrote: > > >> On Oct 30, 2018, at 10:58 AM, Matthew Wilcox <willy@...radead.org> wrote: >> >> On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 10:06:51AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote: >>>> On Oct 30, 2018, at 9:37 AM, Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org> wrote: >>> I support the addition of a rare-write mechanism to the upstream kernel. >>> And I think that there is only one sane way to implement it: using an >>> mm_struct. That mm_struct, just like any sane mm_struct, should only >>> differ from init_mm in that it has extra mappings in the *user* region. >> >> I'd like to understand this approach a little better. In a syscall path, >> we run with the user task's mm. What you're proposing is that when we >> want to modify rare data, we switch to rare_mm which contains a >> writable mapping to all the kernel data which is rare-write. >> >> So the API might look something like this: >> >> void *p = rare_alloc(...); /* writable pointer */ >> p->a = x; >> q = rare_protect(p); /* read-only pointer */ >> >> To subsequently modify q, >> >> p = rare_modify(q); >> q->a = y; >> rare_protect(p); > > How about: > > rare_write(&q->a, y); > > Or, for big writes: > > rare_write_copy(&q, local_q); > > This avoids a whole ton of issues. In practice, actually running with a special mm requires preemption disabled as well as some other stuff, which Nadav carefully dealt with. This is what I had before, yes: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/kees/linux.git/commit/?h=kspp/write-rarely&id=9ab0cb2618ebbc51f830ceaa06b7d2182fe1a52d It just needs the switch_mm() backend. -- Kees Cook
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