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Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 08:47:37 -0700
From: Thomas Garnier <>
To: Daniel Gruss <>
Cc: kernel list <>, 
	Kernel Hardening <>, 
	"" <>, 
	"" <>, 
	Michael Schwarz <>, 
	Richard Fellner <>, 
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <>, Ingo Molnar <>, 
	"" <>
Subject: Re: [RFC, PATCH] x86_64: KAISER - do not map
 kernel in user mode

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 1:23 AM, Daniel Gruss
<> wrote:
> On 04.05.2017 17:28, Thomas Garnier wrote:
>> Please read the documentation on submitting patches [1] and coding style [2].
> I will have a closer look at that.
>>  - How this approach prevent the hardware attacks you mentioned? You
>> still have to keep a part of _text in the pagetable and an attacker
>> could discover it no? (and deduce the kernel base address).
> These parts are moved to a different section (.user_mapped) which is at a possibly predictable location - the location of the randomized parts of the kernel is independent of the location of .user_mapped.
> The code/data footprint for .user_mapped is quite small, helping to reduce or eliminate the attack surface...

If I get it right, it means you can leak the per-cpu address instead
of the kernel. Correct? That would be a problem because you can
elevate privilege by overwriting per-cpu variables. Leaking this
address means also defeating KASLR memory randomization [3] (cf paper
in the commit).

In theory you could put the code in the fixmap but you still have the
per-cpu variables and changing that is hard.


>> You also need to make it clear that btb attacks are still possible.
> By just increasing the KASLR randomization range, btb attacks can be mitigated (for free).

Correct, I hope we can do that.

>>  - What is the perf impact?
> It will vary for different machines. We have promising results (<1%) for an i7-6700K with representative benchmarks. However, for older systems or for workloads with a lot of pressure on some TLB levels, the performance may be much worse.

I think including performance data in both cases would be useful.


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