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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 22:45:02 +0100
From: Hannes Frederic Sowa <>
To: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <>
Cc: David Laight <>, Netdev <>,
 "" <>,
 Jean-Philippe Aumasson <>,
 LKML <>,
 Linux Crypto Mailing List <>,
 "Daniel J . Bernstein" <>,
 Linus Torvalds <>,
 Eric Biggers <>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/4] siphash: add cryptographically secure hashtable

On 15.12.2016 22:25, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 10:17 PM, Hannes Frederic Sowa
> <> wrote:
>> And I was exactly questioning this.
>> static unsigned int inet6_hash_frag(__be32 id, const struct in6_addr *saddr,
>>                                     const struct in6_addr *daddr)
>> {
>>         net_get_random_once(&ip6_frags.rnd, sizeof(ip6_frags.rnd));
>>         return jhash_3words(ipv6_addr_hash(saddr), ipv6_addr_hash(daddr),
>>                             (__force u32)id, ip6_frags.rnd);
>> }
> For this example, the replacement is the function entitled siphash_4u32:
>  static unsigned int inet6_hash_frag(__be32 id, const struct in6_addr *saddr,
>                                      const struct in6_addr *daddr)
>  {
>          net_get_random_once(&ip6_frags.rnd, sizeof(ip6_frags.rnd));
>          return siphash_4u32(ipv6_addr_hash(saddr), ipv6_addr_hash(daddr),
>                  (__force u32)id, 0, ip6_frags.rnd);
>  }
> And then you make ip6_frags.rnd be of type siphash_key_t. Then
> everything is taken care of and works beautifully. Please see v5 of
> this patchset.

Sorry to not be specific enough, the Hash-DoS is in ipv6_addr_hash.
Maybe it was a silly example to start with, sorry. But anyway, your
proposal wouldn't have prevented the hash DoS. I wanted to show how it
can be difficult to make sure that all pointers come from an appropriate
aligned memory region.

The idea would be to actually factor out the key in the data structure
and align it with __aligned(SIPHASH_ALIGNMENT), make sure the padding
bits are all equal zero to not cause any bugs and irregularities with
the corresponding equality function. This might need some serious review
when switching to siphash to actually make use of it and prevent
HashDoS. Or simply use the unaligned version always...

>> I would be interested if the compiler can actually constant-fold the
>> address of the stack allocation with an simple if () or some
>> __builtin_constant_p fiddeling, so we don't have this constant review
>> overhead to which function we pass which data. This would also make
>> this whole discussion moot.
> I'll play with it to see if the compiler is capable of doing that.
> Does anybody know off hand if it is or if there are other examples of
> the compiler doing that?

Not of the top of my head, but it should be easy to test.

> In any case, for all current replacement of jhash_1word, jhash_2words,
> jhash_3words, there's the siphash_2u32 or siphash_4u32 functions. This
> covers the majority of cases.

Agreed and this is also totally fine by me.

> For replacements of md5_transform, either the data is small and can
> fit in siphash_Nu{32,64}, or it can be put into a struct explicitly
> aligned on the stack.

> For the remaining use of jhash_nwords, either siphash() can be used or
> siphash_unaligned() can be used if the source is of unknown alignment.
> Both functions have their alignment requirements (or lack thereof)
> documented in a docbook comment.

I think the warning needs to be bigger, seriously. Most of the people
develop on 64 bit arch, where it will just work during testing and break
later on 32 bit. ;)

> I'll look into the constant folding to see if it actually works. If it
> does, I'll use it. If not, I believe the current solution works.
> How's that sound?

I am still very much concerned about the API.

By the way, if you target net-next, it is currently closed. So no need
to hurry.


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