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Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 13:47:55 +0100
From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
To: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com>
Cc: kernel-hardening@...ts.openwall.com, Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>,
Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
Will Deacon <will.deacon@....com>,
Elena Reshetova <elena.reshetova@...el.com>,
Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <h.peter.anvin@...el.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Re: [RFC v4 PATCH 00/13] HARDENED_ATOMIC
On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 12:41:27PM +0000, Mark Rutland wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 01:29:21AM +0100, Colin Vidal wrote:
> > I wonder if we didn't make a confusion between naming and
> > specifications. I have thought about Kees idea and what you're saying:
> >
> > - The name "atomic_t" name didn't tell anything about if the variable
> > can wrap or not. It just tells there is no race condition on
> > concurrent access, nothing else, and users are well with that. OK
> > then, we don't modify atomic_t, it makes sense.
> >
> > - Hence, let's say a new type "refcount_t". It names exactly what we
> > try to protect in this patch set. A much more simpler interface than
> > atomic_t would be needed, and it protects on race condition and
> > overflows (precisely what is expected of a counter reference). Not
> > an opt-in solution, but it is much less invasive since we "just"
> > have to modify the kref implementation and some vfs reference
> > counters.
> >
> > That didn't tell us how actually implements refcount_t: reuse some
> > atomic_t code or not (it would be simpler anyways, since we don't have
> > to implement the whole atomic_t interface). Still, this is another
> > problem.
> >
> > Sounds better?
>
> Regardless of atomic_t semantics, a refcount_t would be far more obvious
> to developers than atomic_t and/or kref, and better documents the intent
> of code using it.
>
> We'd still see abuse of atomic_t (and so this won't solve the problems
> Kees mentioned), but even as something orthogonal I think that would
> make sense to have.
Furthermore, you could implement that refcount_t stuff using
atomic_cmpxchg() in generic code. While that is sub-optimal for ll/sc
architectures you at least get generic code that works to get started.
Also, I suspect that if your refcounts are heavily contended, you'll
have other problems than the performance of these primitives.
Code for refcount_inc(), refcount_inc_not_zero() and
refcount_sub_and_test() can be copy-pasted from the kref patch I send
yesterday.
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