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Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 12:43:31 +0200
From: Ard Biesheuvel <>
To: Will Deacon <>
Cc: Mark Rutland <>, Catalin Marinas <>, 
	Kees Cook <>,, 
	Julien Grall <>, James Morse <>, 
	"" <>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] arm64: Privileged Access Never
 using TTBR0_EL1 switching

On 15 August 2016 at 12:37, Will Deacon <> wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:31:29PM +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
>> On 15 August 2016 at 12:30, Will Deacon <> wrote:
>> > On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:21:00PM +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
>> >> As to Will's point, I suppose there is a window where a speculative
>> >> TLB fill could occur, so I suppose that means updating TTBR0_EL1.ASID
>> >> first, then TCR_EL1.EPD0, and finally perform the TLBI ASIDE1 on the
>> >> reserved ASID.
>> >
>> > But then what do you gain from the reserved ASID?
>> >
>> To prevent TLB hits against the ASID of the current (disabled)
>> userland translation
> Right, but if the sequence you described ensures that, then why not just
> set TCR_EL1.EPD0 and do TLBI ASIDE1 on the current ASID?

... because then you wipe all the cached translations for current
userland, which I suppose is best avoided. Wiping the reserved ASID
only discards TLB entries that should not exist in the first place.

> I don't see the difference between a TLB entry formed from a speculative
> fill using the reserved ASID and one formed using a non-reserved ASID --
> the page table is the same.

No, but EPD0 does not disable translations, it disable translation
table walks on TLB misses, so we need to switch ASIDs to prevent user
space accesses via TLB hits.

But, how about we store the reserved ASID in TTBR1_EL1 instead, and
switch TCR_EL1.A1 and TCR_EL1.EPD0 in a single write? That way, we can
switch ASIDs and disable table walks atomically (I hope), and we
wouldn't need to change TTBR0_EL1 at all.

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