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Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 11:00:04 -0600
From: Serge Hallyn <>
To: Vasiliy Kulikov <>
Cc: "Serge E. Hallyn" <>, Kees Cook <>,,,
Subject: Re: [RFC] Make Yama pid_ns aware

Quoting Vasiliy Kulikov (
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 14:49 +0000, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > Quoting Vasiliy Kulikov (
> > > Actually, what concerns me is not ptrace, but symlink/hardling
> > > protection.  There is no interaction between namespaces in case of
> > > containers via symlinks in the basic case.  In case of ptrace I don't
> > > think the child ns may weaken the parent ns - child ns may not access
> > > processes of the parent namespace and everything it may ptrace is
> > > already inside of this ns.
> > 
> > Oh, yes.  If you're saying the symlink protection shouldn't be
> > per-pidns, I agree it seems an odd fit.
> > 
> > How about a version of this patch leaving symlink protection
> > out of pidns (maybe in user ns), and just putting ptrace
> > protection per-pidns?
> I don't think moving symlink/hardling from pid ns to user ns is a good
> idea as user ns is not matured yet.  Also we (Openwall) want to use Yama
> almost as-is in our RHEL6 and RHEL5-based kernels with OpenVZ support
> which don't have user namespaces yet at all (yes, it is not a cause for
> mainline decisions :-) ).
> While user ns is not yet ready, I don't clearly see what is the division
> of security policies among namespaces including user namespace.  I had
> a view that all stuff related to processes (i.e. distinct processes in
> several ways) belongs to pid ns, all net stuff to net ns, etc.  If we
> differentiate user ns and pid ns, only strictly things handling pids
> (like kill(2), procfs, ptrace(2), etc.) belong to pid ns and all other
> process-related stuff (like credentials handling, these symlink/hardling
> things, etc.) belong to user namespaces.
> Can we probably leave them in pid ns for now and when user ns is matured
> just move it from pid ns to user ns?  Is it possible without breaking
> Yama's ABI (I think so)?

That's fine with me.


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