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Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 18:03:21 +0100
From: Demian Smith <>
Subject: Re: Advise on best approach (truecrypt pw based on pdf

Hi Magnum,

thanks for the truncate rule, I am running these now on the File
generated, I might even (if it's not successful) on a bigger-ish file
with the non-capital sentences as well.

I have taken your advise and am running it with A-Z and have as well
intentions to look into the "rules" doc to see what 5-9 in this instance

john --wordlist=/home/Demian/RAID/txt/wpd8.txt --rules=truncate
--session=truncate2 /home/Demian/RAID/recover

-> 0g 52648p 0:00:07:24 47.43% (ETA: 18:10:31) 0g/s 118.3p/s 709.9c/s
709.9C/s AEaiitwAhbiapotwc..Awwmgdtcaahriafts

So it might not take to long anyway...

Thanks for your support and for keeping my hopes up =)
'It's no measure of mental health to be well adjusted
to a profoundly sick society.'

Sinéad O'Connor

 ★ On 15/05/09 11:37 p.m. Magnum wrote ★
> On 2015-05-09 23:03, Demian Smith wrote:
>>> Let's concentrate on wordlist rules. If it's indeed a partial
>>> sentence, would you think it's truncated in the end and still
>>> starting with an uppercase letter?
>> It does start with a upper case letter, that's for sure. If I understand
>> correctly, it would have been truncated at the end -  if the original
>> sentence would have been
>>> To be or not to be, that is the question, and indeed a question which
>>> shall
>>> be answered,  by this circle of fine man who gathered on this moonlit
>>> December night
>> It would be any of these
>> Tbontb
>> Tbontbtistq
>> Tbontbtistqaiaqwsba
>> Tbontbtistqaiaqwsbabtcofm
>> and so on.
> So you wouldn't stop in the middle of a sub phrase (or whatever it's
> called) ie. you wouldn't have used "Tbontbti"? That's hard to automate
> so we'll probably just have to ignore it and try any truncations to eg.
> 5-12 characters.
>>> Also, how large (number of lines) is that wordlist? Did you try
>>> just running it with --rules (and perhaps --rules=single in another
>>> run)?
>> The list I have created by removing all lines starting with non capital
>> letters is a whopping 3803 lines long, but the last lines are in the
>> ranks of 50 and more chars (the longest being 97 chars).
> OK that's a small amount. We should be able to run that through a decent
> number of permutations if needed.
>> After your pointer towards rules I have now cut the lines at 20 chars
>> and am running it with the rules on the wordlist. I've not worked with
>> rules either, would I have to write some useful ones (for my case) 
>> first?
> Here's a quick'n'dirty one:
> [List.Rules:truncate]
> Put the above in john.conf and use it with "--rules=truncate". For an
> input word of Tbontbtistqaiaqwsbabtcofm it will output these 8 variations:
> Tbont
> Tbontb
> Tbontbt
> Tbontbti
> Tbontbtis
> Tbontbtist
> Tbontbtistq
> Tbontbtistqa
> If you want longer than 12, change the 'C' in A-C. 5-9 means literally
> 5-9, A means 10, B is 11 and so on so A-C here means a truncate at a
> length of 10-12. I think you can actually use A-Z in this case and it
> wont take too long.
> magnum

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