Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:11:11 +0100 From: "john wittgeinstein" <pandemonium@....us> To: john-users@...ts.openwall.com Subject: Re: LM with empty strings = password longer than 15 chars? Its Windows 7. John easily soldved the Guest & use hashes, which are empty (no passwd). I assumed - because I read somewhere on the mailing list that if the LM hash is empty than the NT is more than 15 chars. I dont know...What do you think according to your experience? Would it make any difference for John to load the hash without the LM in the Administrator:Hash form separately? Regards! ----- Original Message ----- From: Aleksey Cherepanov Sent: 11/15/12 09:19 AM To: john-users@...ts.openwall.com Subject: Re: [john-users] LM with empty strings = password longer than 15 chars? On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 08:14:19AM +0100, john wittgeinstein wrote: > Ive got this pwdump output: > > Administrator:500:aad3b435b51404eeaad3b435b51404ee:4dc0249ad90ab626362050195893c788::: > Guest:501:aad3b435b51404eeaad3b435b51404ee:31d6cfe0d16ae931b73c59d7e0c089c0::: > user:1000:aad3b435b51404eeaad3b435b51404ee:31d6cfe0d16ae931b73c59d7e0c089c0::: > > We can clearly see "aad3b435b51404ee" string which invokes empty key. But again all the LM hashes are the same for each user. The LM are the same for admin, Guest, user, but the NT are different. Is this common to happen if Admin is more than 15 characters long? Yes and no, Windows XP is the last version of windows that still uses LM hashes: so there if password is longer than 15 characters or LM are disabled through policy or registry or something like this (I do not know details) then only NT hash is used. So empty LM hashes means that only NT hashes are used. They still could be shorter than 15 characters - you need to know more about system to make such conclusion. -- Regards, Aleksey Cherepanov
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