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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:32:01 +0100
From: Simon Marechal <simon@...quise.net>
To: john-users@...ts.openwall.com
Subject: Re: How does incremental mode works?

On 11/14/2012 10:32 PM, magnum wrote:
> So exactly what data was used for creating the current stats file? I seem to recall we had Markov before the Rockyou leak but I don't recall any update of the stats file (I may be wrong though).
> 
> It would be interesting to (also) compare Markov and Incremental when trained from the exact same dataset. Incremental should be better then, getting rid of more candidates early on.

It was created with a private set of passwords. I was initially afraid
they might be irrelevant as the sources were mostly French, but it works
quite well. With better training incremental mode behaves much better,
but is still not a match for Markov (in my tests).

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