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Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 17:01:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Brad Tilley" <>
Subject: Re: articles/essays on the wiki (was: John the Ripper 

> This is very nice, and your percentages cracked for bcrypt hashes are
> curious.  For Owl systems, it's 0% cracked due to passwdqc. ;-)

Thank you. That particular site implemented passwdqc after the audit.
Before that, they had no password complexity enforcement in place, thus
the poor passwords. They felt bcrypt hashing was sufficient even with very
weak passwords. The password audit convinced them otherwise.


> As to a proper place on the wiki, that's tricky.  What you wrote is not
> a tutorial and is not a usage example.  Your "Conclusion" could be a
> case study, if we had that category, but most of what you wrote is
> general info and advice.  So how about this wiki page placement/name:
> or:
> We would then use this new namespace for case studies as well (no reason
> to separate them, I guess).
> If you agree, please create that page, create a stub page for articles
> or essays (your choice), and link to it from "john" (the link title may
> say "articles, essays, and case studies").
> As to articles vs. essays for the namespace name, I think essay is more
> of a single-author thing than an article.  So if we want to encourage
> edits by others, then articles may be a better word to use.

I agree and I placed the essay on the wiki. I followed your advice as best
as I could. Feel free to change it however you like.



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