Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:07:24 +0300 From: Shinnok <admin@...nnok.com> To: john-users@...ts.openwall.com Subject: Re: irc channel for Openwall -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/2011 05:08 PM, Solar Designer wrote: > With GSoC, I think it makes sense for us to schedule meetings on the > channel, maybe weekly. Yes with GSoC it will be very helpful, in both directions. > > Right. My concern, though, is that this may result in useful > discussions (such as with JtR usage tips) going IRC-only, with nothing > posted about them to the proper mailing lists. Thus, answers to users' > questions, etc. will benefit a lot fewer people than they do on the > mailing lists. Just as with any other issue, there is a tradeoff here, we either lose useful discussions/answers or users, since I know that there are lots of *lazy*(if I may, there might be a better word for it though) people out there that rather then firing off an e-mail would give up on the tool/task. In that subset of people and overflowing out of it there is another subset that would prefer irc chat over e-mail either because it is more interactive and supposedly faster(perception or not) or just aren't that accustomed with e-mail at all. In the first case, of losing useful discussions/answers, we can educate a handful of people(main project members and contributors) to properly handle important/interesting stuff going on #openwall, but in the second case for lazy people, you have no chance nor the medium/audience to do so. A few methods for educating the first class, is to advertise the openwall.info wiki with a FAQ on each major issue discussed on #openwall(JtR, Owl, etc..) and encourage to add to that page any useful/interesting answers that go on on the channel to it(and lists too, why not). Another big issue with irc as you mentioned is important decisions taken on IRC by project members that stay there, this one can also be handled by educating project members that any important decisions and discussions must be summarized and sent to the appropriate mailing list too. As mentioned before, it's easier to educate a handful of people that you have knowledge of and access to them, rather then educating a general crowd. > > Thank you! I appreciate this. Would you also post about important > discussions, helpful tips, etc. to the proper mailing lists? That would > be great. Proper mailing list for discussions/decisions yes, and tips to the Wiki. Only outstanding hacks/tips should be fired off to mailing lists imo. > > I think we need to inform owl-users once there's someone idling on the > channel (that is, on #openwall on Freenode). Feel free to post in there. We might as well do it now, oh and you should be the one to do it. See my answer to Galaxy's e-mail to this thread on why is that exactly. :-) (Yes I know you are busy enough, but later is fine too ofc.) > > Thanks again, > > Alexander Regards, Shinnok -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNoyc6AAoJEAzuYPBIYMpXUZ8H/j7oIYupg9F+ZjLO6TIuubyV r0tfB8syu5MR7LyU2WCIsNv1sWv/byLHSfC3Umz5QCQFf0kY2Oe1qUERo7JtTt+e xSLpNk+gT3qK8TAza0hUcngr0o7hFS1rXshAC3bfdq9b9ZE0OJePPDU+t7uEKUFT 5fM4DN+xQMSlIk53D06ZZcvyua9qQxnw0DjmxoGDoJMyiX/eUKdlwsG42sXBrRof HWyKGyvqCMRe5WIyDvjJgX1kaStXuQ3+og/7NTjoej6/y2eXKwZgznP2kr4HBu4w iLn3alFUx4uGg2se7pYKe7POopuTTxbdvlJ/zbrcnnlD+lgNAD2TRAlLls+yn78= =mKgz -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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