Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 03:26:40 +0300 From: Solar Designer <solar@...nwall.com> To: john-users@...ts.openwall.com Subject: Re: GSoC 2011 Hi Luis, Corbin, all - Thank you for your helpful advice! Openwall applied for GSoC 2011. No idea if we'll be accepted or not yet; we'll find out soon. I've revised the ideas page: http://openwall.info/wiki/ideas I also created an application template: http://openwall.info/wiki/apply I think these are useful even if we're not accepted for GSoC 2011 specifically. ...and if we're accepted: - Any students in here who will be applying? - Anyone in here wants to be a mentor on some of the ideas? On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 10:37:28AM -0800, Corbin Simpson wrote: > I was a GSoC student a couple years ago, and a mentor last year for > two organizations (OSUOSL and X.org.) One of the biggest things, in my > opinion, is that you should be careful that students do not bite off > more than they can chew. If a student finishes early and chooses to > amend his project to do extra work, that's a job well done. (One of my > students did this last year.) But if a student is given a large task, > it might not be possible for them to make any serious progress towards > it in just one summer. This sounds right to me. I assume that if a student finishes early but does not want extra work, they're a poor contributor anyway, so there's no point in spending more time on them. ;-) > X.org always says that GSoC is not an opportunity to get a pile of > free code, but a chance to get new contributors. I think this > viewpoint is far more useful when trying to become a GSoC mentoring > organization. Makes sense. I think this matches Google's viewpoint/preference. > Students will invariably suggest their own ideas -- this is completely > okay! Encourage them to find something they will enjoy working on, > rather than forcing them to select from things you want to get done. > This will lead to more productive students. Definitely. I added "Your own creative and relevant idea", inspired by Nmap's. > For a look at the ideas page of an organization that has been doing > this for a while, check out > http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/SummerOfCodeIdeas. Notice how ideas > from 2008 never got erased, as they are still valid and somebody could > still tackle them. Thanks. I was mostly looking at Nmap's when editing the ideas page and app template for Openwall, though. > On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 4:24 AM, Luis MartinGarcia. <luis.mgarc@...il.com> wrote: > > I've been a GSoC student (Nmap project) for the last two years. I find > > some of the tasks too small. Which ones? > > You can reasonably expect GSoC students to > > work full-time (8 or 9 hours a day) for the whole duration of the > > program. Also, you are right, task definition should be a lot more > > specific and detailed. Actually, I've since decided not to make them as specific and detailed as I was going to. I don't want to influence the thinking of students yet (such on specific algorithms to use, etc., but also on task scope) - I'd rather hear their own ideas first. > > It may be a good idea to let students propose > > their own projects ideas. There are lots of clever students out there > > and you may be surprised of what they can come up with. Yes, that's what I am hoping for. Thanks again, Alexander
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