Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 06:31:41 +0400 From: Solar Designer <solar@...nwall.com> To: john-users@...ts.openwall.com Subject: Re: John the Ripper development On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 01:48:02PM +0200, Joschka Sulzer wrote: > How about adding features like www.openmp.org describes ? I'll start with a "generic" answer since I think you did not mean to focus your question specifically on OpenMP. This topic is being brought up every now and then. People are suggesting that I add parallel/distributed processing to John using one of the many libraries/toolkits. While this can be done and has been done by others for fun or as a part of their academic career, it is not great for practical uses of John. You can see some bits from past discussions here: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.security.openwall.john.user/245 http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.security.openwall.john.user/253 However, OpenMP is quite different. It is a way to explicitly tell the compiler what constructs may be parallelized/vectorized. This is reasonable and I do not rule out the possibility that I will enhance John source code with OpenMP directives eventually, although I expect that capable parallelizing compilers will detect parallelism in the current bitslice DES code already - provided that DES_BS_VECTOR is set high enough. On "true" vector computers, this is the way to go (although I'd imagine that vendor-specific and not OpenMP directives would need to be used presently, if at all). On non-vector multi-processor systems, I expect that an explicit one-process-per-CPU model will provide better efficiency for John. In fact, separate CPUs might even be treated the same as separate nodes on a network with no efficiency loss. The task of password cracking does not require frequent switches between sequential and parallel execution that parallelizing compilers and OpenMP directives are great for. -- Alexander Peslyak <solar at openwall.com> GPG key ID: B35D3598 fp: 6429 0D7E F130 C13E C929 6447 73C3 A290 B35D 3598 http://www.openwall.com - bringing security into open computing environments
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