Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:43:02 +0300 From: Solar Designer <solar@...nwall.com> To: owl-users@...ts.openwall.com Subject: Re: mailing lists with Owl On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:38:02AM +0300, croco@...nwall.com wrote: > what soft would you recommend as a mailing list engine to deploy under Owl? I am not aware of a mailing list engine I would fully recommend, but of those I've seen ezmlm-idx is a good choice, in my opinion. The other popular alternative is Mailman, but I dislike that one for a variety of reasons. http://www.ezmlm.org ezmlm-idx was designed to work along with qmail, which is a drawback these days. Yet installing netqmail would probably be the easiest way to get ezmlm-idx working: http://www.qmail.org/netqmail/ You could install these, say, to /opt/ezmlm-idx/VERSION and /opt/netqmail/VERSION (substituting the current version numbers for VERSION), then create "current" symlinks under /opt/ezmlm-idx and /opt/netqmail, and maybe create some symlinks under /usr/local/bin. This is the approach we're using for installs of locally-built software. If you can dedicate more time to this, you could want to try getting ezmlm-idx to work with Postfix. Apparently, some people got it working: http://www.google.com/search?q=ezmlm-idx+postfix http://bsd.dischaos.com/2008/05/07/ezmlm-idx-postfix-quick-and-dirty-howto/ http://www.postfix.org/qmqpd.8.html The Postfix qmqpd(8) man page refers to: "README FILES QMQP_README, Postfix ezmlm-idx howto." but the file itself merely says: "Postfix qmail and ezmlm support ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This document will be made available via http://www.postfix.org/." The URL for it is: http://www.postfix.org/QMQP_README.html (I am posting it in case real content appears there by the time someone finds this message in the list archives.) If you get it working, please post a follow-up in here. The Openwall wiki would be a good place for a how-to article. > May be someone has packages for it? Thanks! I don't. I've been installing ezmlm-idx and (net)qmail under /opt. Besides the "dependency" on qmail, another drawback of the usual ezmlm-idx with qmail setup is that it will produce unnecessarily too many potentially unsolicited bounce and auto-reply messages. While the mailing list manager has to verify a new subscriber's address before actually subscribing the address, it could avoid producing auto-replies in many/most/all other cases. I was dealing with this to a limited extent with some custom scripting (detecting and dropping spam messages in an aggressive manner before letting them through to ezmlm-idx's programs). Similarly, qmail itself would by default accept and then bounce messages for non-existent recipient addresses (in the configured domains). I was dealing with this with some custom code or with chkuser, but maybe netqmail includes an equivalent of chkuser by now, which would make a proper setup simpler. There's a relevant wiki page: http://openwall.info/wiki/internal/email/qmail but like I mentioned getting ezmlm-idx to work with Postfix would be much better. Maybe you'd even package it for Owl add-ons. ;-) Alexander
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