Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:47:27 +0400 From: Solar Designer <solar@...nwall.com> To: owl-dev@...ts.openwall.com Subject: Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 (GSoC) On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 09:11:21PM +0800, Pavel Labushev wrote: > 17.03.2012 10:41, Solar Designer wrote: > > > http://openwall.info/wiki/ideas > > Seems like many prerequisite tasks for 4.0 are delayed until GSoC. No, nothing is being artificially delayed. If we were available to actively work on these tasks now, we would. > Excuse me > for going off topic, but when do you plan to release 4.0? Is there a timed > roadmap somewhere? This is on topic for this mailing list (even if not for the original thread). When we released Owl 3.0, I suggested that we release 4.0 no later than about now. As you can see, this is not happening... There was lots of non-Owl stuff happening in our lives, so we did not dedicate enough time to Owl development. In general, one of the biggest problems of Owl is that we're doing too little too late. Part of the reason is that at Openwall we also do many other things - we got other projects (most notably, John the Ripper - but not only it), we're involved in some semi-relevant community activities, we got two tiny professional services companies with clients and their needs, etc. I am considering ways for us to get off this rat's wheel. These range from accepting an investment from a VC fund or a larger IT company (so that we would be able to dedicate more time to advancing our projects, even if with a commercial focus, vs. providing services to our current clients), to expanding our team (so that clients' needs and emergencies would not be as disruptive to our own projects), to getting a larger community involved and to a greater extent (GSoC is related to this), and to working on fewer projects at a time. None of these are perfect. Another issue is that I am often the bottleneck. A closely related issue is that maybe our quality requirements are too high, which ends up resulting in lower quality overall (in other aspects of it). So right now I can only say that obviously we'd prefer to release Owl 4.0 sooner rather than later, but there's no specific due date. Alexander
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