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Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2022 22:03:51 +0100
From: Steffen Nurpmeso <steffen@...oden.eu>
To: oss-security@...ts.openwall.com
Subject: Re: [patch] proc.5: tell how to parse
/proc/*/stat correctly
..now sending this..
Shawn Webb wrote in
<20221222150448.5wyrhot7ikhp75j7@...t-hbsd>:
|On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 03:44:45PM +0100, Jakub Wilk wrote:
...
|We knew way back then the dangers of VFS-based wizardry. Did we lose
|that knowledge somehow?
I think often problems materialize due to insufficient knowledge
of special cases and/or the complete picture. And you need to dig
around in kernel sources to find answers, and for Linux in
particular "one thing (sysfs/procfs entry) has that name and uses
these values ranges here, and those over there". (From my
superficial view doing backlight / volume / fan control.)
Names are also not self-describing, and then i very much like
FreeBSD's sysctl(8) -d flag, as every sysctl has a documentation
string entry; one can even do "sysctl -a -d". For example
kern.evdev.rcpt_mask: Who is receiving events: bit0 - sysmouse, bit1 - kbdmux, bit2 - mouse hardware, bit3 - keyboard hardware
Even manual references (punctuation issue)
vm.overcommit: Configure virtual memory overcommit behavior. See tuning(7) for details.
But of course for one BSD is a more holistic approach, and then
this does not prevent errors from happening. But -- how often
have i wished i would get just a little information at a glance!
Some interfaces are very old, established and more or less stable,
and origin in a time where many problems where not yet
"completely" intellectually penetrated. You need to move the
entire infrastructure to make this better. .. Appears strange in
a so rapidly moving environment like Linux kernel, with >50 MB
merges for a minor revision.. All those young dudes which eagerly
carry the news to see their footsteps disappearing in the sand,
heh!! And then lots of software is done as a hobby, famous xkcd
"dependency" thing[1].
[1] https://xkcd.com/2347/
P.S.: shawn.webb@ possibly means introducing something like libXO
for (some / all?) procfs entries? (And _i_ long dream of
a FILE.txt with the equivalent to sysctl(8)'s -d.)
--steffen
|
|Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear,
|der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one
|einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off
|(By Robert Gernhardt)
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