Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2021 10:37:52 -0600 From: "Jeremy Soller" <jeremy@...tem76.com> To: oss-security@...ts.openwall.com Subject: Re: Pop!_OS Membership to linux-distros list Hello Alexander, I'm keeping this in mind. We may hire someone to handle this task, and I will get back to you when we do. Thanks, -- Jeremy Soller System76 Principal Engineer jeremy@...tem76.com On Tue, Aug 17, 2021, at 6:31 AM, Solar Designer wrote: > Hi Jeremy, > > I'm sorry about the delay. I was hoping someone else would chime in. > > On Wed, Aug 04, 2021 at 09:59:02AM -0600, Jeremy Soller wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 27, 2021, at 11:59 AM, Solar Designer wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 02:23:26PM -0600, Jeremy Soller wrote: > > > > Over the history of Pop!_OS, dating back to 2017, we have maintained critical > > > > packages and applied security patches soon after they are made public. Our > > > > membership to this list would significantly help our users stay secure by > > > > allowing us to prepare and test security updates ahead of public disclosure. > > > > Please see our GitHub organization for more evidence: https://github.com/pop-os > > > > > > I think it'd be most convincing for us all to see specific examples of > > > you having "applied security patches soon after they are made public", > > > with dates public vs. fixed in Pop!_OS. > > > > How many examples should I provide? The last security patch I did was for > > systemd. We have patches on systemd which means we cannot use the Ubuntu > > version directly, so when, for example, CVE-2020-13529 and CVE-2021-33910 > > patches arrived in Ubuntu 21.04 on July 20, 2021, I applied them to our own > > fork of systemd for Pop!_OS 21.04 that same day: > > > > - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/247.3-3ubuntu3.4 > > - https://github.com/pop-os/systemd/commit/bf008f836b8740f6634d02526d1f38c98fa6699a > > > > Pop!_OS needs to participate in linux-distros to ensure we have patches ready > > for our forks of packages that do not come straight from Ubuntu. I listed the > > relevant packages in my original email, many of which we have had to do > > security updates for after some embargo lifts, with very little time to prepare. > > There's no specific requirement on the number of examples. The above > looks reasonable to me. > > > > > 7. Be able and willing to contribute back (see above), preferably in specific > > > > ways announced in advance (so that you're responsible for a specific area and > > > > so that we know what to expect from which member), and demonstrate actual > > > > contributions once you've been a member for a while > > > > > > > > I am able and willing to contribute back. > > > > > > Please choose a specific task (or several). > > > > > > I suggest the statistics task: > > > > > > "13. Keep track of per-report and per-issue handling and disclosure > > > timelines (at least times of notification of the private list and of > > > actual public disclosure), at regular intervals produce and share > > > statistics (most notably, the average embargo duration) as well as the > > > raw data (except on issues that are still under embargo) by posting to > > > oss-security - primary: Amazon, backup: Gentoo" > > > > > > As you can see, it is currently assigned to Amazon and Gentoo, but as > > > far as I can see neither is actually handling it now, so I'd like to > > > formally unassign it from them and have another distro handle it. > > > > That would be fine, but I would be curious if there is some reason they have > > not been fulfilling this task. > > I cannot speak for them, but the task does require some effort on every > issue, and perhaps the specific people are just not putting the effort. > As you can see, this was different in 2017-2019 when Gentoo had a person > actually working on this task. > > Besides statistics per se, an important desirable side-effect of working > on this task is that you'd end up double-checking that every issue does > in fact get reported to oss-security. > > > > > 9. Have someone already on the private list, or at least someone else who has > > > > been active on oss-security for years but is not affiliated with your distro > > > > nor your organization, vouch for at least one of the people requesting > > > > membership on behalf of your distro (then that one vouched-for person will be > > > > able to vouch for others on your team, in case you'd like multiple people > > > > subscribed) > > > > > > > > I do not know if I have contacts that are already on the linux-distros list. > > > > > > It can also be "someone else who has been active on oss-security for > > > years but is not affiliated". Anyone? > > > > I believe Tyler Hicks is willing to do this. > > Like he says, he'd "be a lot more comfortable if someone could provide a > stronger vouch." > > However, overall I think Pop!_OS and you personally (also considering > your work on Redox OS) do meet the requirements. So let's proceed with > the subscription. Please e-mail me off-list with your e-mail address > and PGP key to use. Please also confirm in this thread that we're > getting the statistics task assigned to you, and we can discuss some > specifics on what's to be done on it. > > Thanks, > > Alexander >
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