Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 16:51:11 -0400 From: Jeffrey Walton <noloader@...il.com> To: oss-security@...ts.openwall.com Subject: Re: Debian FEATURE: /home/loser is with permissions 755, default umask 0022 On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 4:32 PM Kurt H Maier <khm@...ops.net> wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 09:41:39PM +0200, Solar Designer wrote: > > I also think the defaults should be changed, and not only on Debian. > > This is just kicking the can down the road. X years ago people > complained about oppressive defaults. X years from now these defaults > will also be insufficient. We could save a lot of treadmill labor > dollars by just admitting that global filesystem namespaces are a > mistake, but the sunk cost fallacy is preventing this. It's the same > story as SETUID all over again. Maybe it's time to take a more defensive posture and guide a user through the setup if they wish. Nowadays you've got those systemd-triggered first-time logon GUI wizards that could include a step to setup file sharing, like making /home/loser/www available to other users. The defensive posture should keep security conscious folks happy, and the setup wizard will keep promiscuous users happy. Jeff
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