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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2020 21:02:13 +0000
From: Seth Arnold <>
To: Bob Friesenhahn <>
Subject: Re: Debian FEATURE: /home/loser is with permissions
 755, default umask 0022

On Thu, Oct 08, 2020 at 08:29:39AM -0500, Bob Friesenhahn wrote:
> It seems that the issue we encountered is due to 'USERGROUPS_ENAB yes' in
> /etc/login.defs.  I am not sure if this is specific to Ubuntu. This setting
> changes the umask from the default:

Aha, thanks for indulging my curiosity and tracking this down. Ubuntu
doesn't carry any changes to this package compared to the Debian
package (any differences would be in a 'login' directory in ).

"USERGROUPS_ENAB yes" may have been a Debian default setting since 1999 or
so; archaelogy on packages this old is a little difficult, but the tarball

has several login.defs* files:

$ ls -l etc/login.defs*
-rw-r--r-- 1 sarnold sarnold  5426 May  1  1997 etc/login.defs
-rw-r--r-- 1 sarnold sarnold  4272 Aug 27  1999 etc/login.defs.hurd
-rw-r--r-- 1 sarnold sarnold 10165 Aug 27  1999 etc/login.defs.linux
$ grep USERGROUPS etc/login.*
etc/login.defs.hurd:USERGROUPS_ENAB yes
etc/login.defs.linux:USERGROUPS_ENAB yes

By 2005 or so, the archaelogy gets easier:

I believe "USERGROUPS_ENAB yes" has been a Debian default since 1998 or 1999.


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