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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 15:26:46 -0600
From: Kurt Seifried <>
Subject: Re: civilized discussion (Re: More CONFIG_VMAP_STACK vulnerabilities, refcount_t UAF, and an ignored Secure Boot bypass / rootkit method)

To be clear solar has always been a sane and polite person, but I don't know what the list policy is, in part because I don't think this has really come up before(that I can remember).


> On Jun 26, 2017, at 14:50, Solar Designer <> wrote:
> Hi all,
> Yes, I too would like the discussions in here to stay civilized.
> Brad wrote to Linus:
>> On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 9:35 PM, Brad Spengler <> wrote:
>> With no technical content coming from your end, there's no need to discuss
>> anything further -- don't waste your time because I won't reply.
> and I hope that Linus won't reply (as far as I can see, he did not so
> far) and this does in fact end that thread.
>> On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 03:16:06PM -0400, Mansour Moufid wrote:
>> Is there another mailing list for discussions of Linux security? Or forum?
> At Openwall, we also host the kernel-hardening mailing list, but we
> currently moderate it similarly - that is, we're not preventing
> occasional/infrequent threads like this right away, letting a sensible
> number of messages to pass through, even if with insults and such.
> Usually those threads end on their own.  In fact, I only recall one very
> recent thread in there where I intervened and technically shut it down.
> If the pro-grsecurity and/or anti-grsecurity folks try much harder,
> we'll probably have to start moderating the lists much stricter.
> There are probably other suitable mailing lists and forums as well.
> Maybe someone else would share some.
>> I have been thinking of sharing a few patches for the last couple months.
>> I don't think this is the right place after the kind of insults I saw this week.
> This sounds weird to me: you've been sitting on those patches for "the
> last couple months" and now a thread "this week" finally made you decide
> not to post them in here.  Anyhow, if those patches would be on-topic in
> here or on kernel-hardening, please feel free to reconsider.
> Off-list, someone else also explained to me that the recent dirt in here
> discouraged them from posting certain reasonable content.  So this is
> probably happening, and that's a pity.  I ask that anyone who thinks
> they have higher quality content than what we see in this thread does
> post that.  Let this be your response.
> Alexander

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