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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 15:16:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Josh Bressers <>
Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: x86 ROP mitigation

> It's not going to be increasing the cost of exploit development if it
> only means a script ends up finding different gadgets instead. Maybe it
> leads to better tooling being developed if it's far enough along, but
> that's one person investing their time once, not every exploit taking
> more resources to develop. If it's incomplete, how is it a layer?

It's the first step of a very long road.

This attitude is quite pervasive across security people, and it's not a
very good one. Just because the first iteration of a technology isn't
perfect, or the ideas have room for improvement is no reason to go all

Sometimes great ideas start out like this. If it's a bad idea, it won't
stick around for long. There are few instances where doing nothing is
better than doing something.


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