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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 22:46:04 +0200
From: Leif Nixon <nixon@...ator.liu.se>
To: oss-security@...ts.openwall.com
Subject: Re: Qualys Security Advisory - CVE-2015-3245 userhelper - CVE-2015-3246 libuser

Martino Dell'Ambrogio <tillo@...lo.ch> writes:

> On 07/24/2015 11:47 AM, Leif Nixon wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>> As I see it, there are two reasons for releasing working exploits
>> without warning;
>>
>> 1) Forcing the hand of a non-responsive vendor,
>>
>> 2) Stroking a weak ego by showing off. (Or for marketing, but that comes
>>    to the same thing.)
>>
>> Except for case 1, releasing a working exploit *does not help anybody*
>> except the kiddies. If there are other reasons, I'd like to be told
>> about them.
>>
>> If Qualys had released a slightly less detailed advisory, or even just
>> left off the actual exploit, and given users a day or two to patch their
>> systems before going full disclosure, the risk to innocent bystanders
>> would have been much reduced.
>>
>
> Actually, releasing a working exploit helps our customers more often
> than not.
> In professional pentesting, proof of exploitation is essential.
> Most often than not, a real attacker will invest time and resources into
> a working exploit, the customer will not feel the need to invest into it
> just for simulation.

I may have been somewhat unclear; what I'm (very) upset about is the
release of a working exploit without giving the user community a
realistic chance to patch.

-- 
Leif Nixon
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