Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 07:03:14 -0800 From: "M.T. Roebuck" <marvint.roebuck@...ox.lv> To: oss-security@...ts.openwall.com Subject: Re: Fuzzing project brainstorming On Thu, 20 Nov 2014 20:23:09 +0100 Hanno Böck <hanno@...eck.de> wrote: > > Compared to "starting from scratch" starting such a fuzzing project is > not herculean, it's more like grabbing the low hanging fruit. Ok but it's a very large space, really infinite. And I didn't mean my message as a comparison. > > But arguments alike come up every now and then. Basically you'll hear > two things: "We have to mitigate / sandbox" and "please rewrite > everything in [insert favorite non-C programming language]". I think we keep doing what we're doing. But your message was a reminder that someone somewhere should be thinking hard about how to replace the "our systems we have today". Not rewrite but replace. > > I don't want to downplay either of these approaches. It's just that > you have to be realistic. Nobody will rewrite everything from scratch Sometimes inspiration comes outta nowhere. > in rust/go/haskell/whatever any time soon. There are a few interesting No not going to happen soon, but starting now would be better than waiting. I guess that's my point. Maybe it has started out there somewhere already. > projects that try to rewrite key sofware in safer languages (mitls and > servo come to mind), but they are few and none of them is in a > production state. Don't know them but am curious and will have to look. > > Our systems we have today - the ones we use to have this discussion, > manage our bank accounts and surf the web - have imperfect software > written mostly in unsafe languages. I feel fuzzing can improve the > state of things a lot. I agree completely and I know you're right. Sometimes my fuzzing, some might call it PEBKAC, turns up a thing or two. (^: Maybe call it involuntary fuzzing instead of stupid-user tricks.
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