Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2014 14:33:10 -0600 From: "Vincent Danen" <vdanen@...hat.com> To: oss-security@...ts.openwall.com Subject: Re: OpenSSL 1.0.1 TLS/DTLS hearbeat information disclosure CVE-2014-0160 On 04/08/2014, at 13:37 PM, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 06:17:57PM +0300, Jussi Eronen wrote: >> Hello, >> >> On 04/08/2014 01:05 AM, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: >>> On Mon, Apr 07, 2014 at 01:56:27PM -0700, Reed Loden wrote: >>>> Was this not coordinated with the distros at all? If not, that >>>> seems like major fail on the reporters and NCSC-FI's part. :/ >>> >>> There was a mail from Red Hat on monday morning (CEST) with no >>> detail and a CRD to april 9th. It seems OpenSSL advisory came a >>> bit uncoordinated, actually, which (it seems) triggered the release >>> of the heartbeat and cloudfare posts, as well as the Red Hat one >>> here. >> >> We reported the issue to OpenSSL a couple of hours before the advisory >> was published. Our plan was to start notifications to distros and >> other vendors after discussing with OpenSSL. Codenomicon did mention >> us as the coordinator in the original text of heartbleed.com, but the >> current text reflects the situation quite well: >> >> """ >> Who coordinates response to this vulnerability? >> >> NCSC-FI took up the task of reaching out to the authors of OpenSSL, >> software, operating system and appliance vendors, which were >> potentially affected. However, this vulnerability was found and >> details released independently by others before this work was >> completed. Vendors should be notifying their users and service >> providers. Internet service providers should be notifying their end >> users where and when potential action is required. >> """ > > Thanks for the clarification. I suppose nobody knows who are those > “others” who released independently? > > I think it might help to provide a full timeline of this. Here are the > bits I know about, feel free to complete the missing bits: > > Sometimes (when?) : Neel Mehta of Google Security discovers the > vulnerability > Later (when?) : Google Security notifies OpenSSL > Sometimes last week : someones (who? OpenSSL?) notifes CloudFlare > (and maybe other vendors) OpenSSL did not tell CloudFare. It is unclear who did. > Mon, 07 Apr 2014 guess : Mark Cox of OpenSSL (but also working at Red > Hat SRT) notifies Red Hat and authorizes them > to share details of the vulns > Mon, 07 Apr 2014 05:56 : Huzaifa Sidhpurwala (RH) add a bug to Red Hat bugzilla > Mon, 07 Apr 2014 06:10 : Huzaifa Sidhpurwala sends a mail to distros > list with no details but an offer to request > them privately > Mon, 07 Apr 2014 ~15:30: NCSC-FI reports issue to OpenSSL > Mon, 07 Apr 2014 16:53 : Fix is committed to OpenSSL git (not sure if it > was public or private at that point) At this point it was private. > Mon, 07 Apr 2014 : someone (who?) releases something (what, where?) > Mon, 07 Apr 2014 17:27 : OpenSSL releases advisory > Mon, 07 Apr 2014 18:00 : CloudFlare posts blog entry > Mon, 07 Apr 2014 19:00 : Heartbleed.com is published > Wed, 09 Apr 2014 : initial CRD > > At that point, we (Debian) started some kind of “public situation room” > on #debian-security and we tried to build updates ASAP, along with > trying to find more info on this (for example, I'm still unsure how easy > it really is to find some valuable data in those 64kB of process heap > memory). > > I have to admit the handling of that vulnerability was really not the > best disclosure I could find, whatever Cloudfare is thinking about this. > > It seems that some people where actually knowing about this quite early > because of their proximitity with involved projects (Google Security, > OpenSSL project, Red Hat Security), which I consider pretty normal. But > no effort was apparently made to coordinate something at that point, > until crash mode was activated sometimes on april 7th (which might have > been the best thing to do if someone noticed it was exploited in the > wide, but since we didn't get that kind of information we can only > speculate) > > I don't want to point finger, but I sincerely hope the next time > something like that happens, coordination will be done early in the > processus, and relevant vendors will have a chance to prepare themselves > with a bit more than a two-days warning (or no warning at all). And I do > know it's not always easy to identify a relevant group of vendors, but > even when it's too late, coordinated disclosure and unique/authoritative > information point is really helpful for everyone. > > Regards, > -- > Yves-Alexis Perez -- Vincent Danen / Red Hat Security Response Team Download attachment "signature.asc" of type "application/pgp-signature" (711 bytes)
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