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Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 11:19:43 -0500 (EST)
From: R P Herrold <herrold@...river.com>
To: oss-security@...ts.openwall.com
Subject: Vendor-sec hosting and future of closed lists
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, Josh Bressers wrote:
prior content, not from Josh:
>> We would also be willing to host and maintain a closed vendor-sec style
>> mailing list like the previous one with the only condition for member
>> list to be public (not necessarily the individual contact names but at
>> least the entities represented).
I guess I do not see the reason for such a listing. The list
that Josh put together from memory does not include the
distributions I represented and coordinated vendor-sec matters
for. Having such a list just offers better target
identification of those NOT on the list and thus may lag a
CRD, no? How is this beneficial?
> There is also the option of recreating an old style list. This is a bit
> more ad-hoc and Openwall has already offered to host such a thing (Solar
> has quite a bit already in place). I do favor this a bit, as it would make
> a nice compliment to oss-security
I favor such as well - I posted an offer to host such pro bono
as a neutral vendor (centos inherently trails), but it was
caught up in the trashing of the old vendor-sec host and so
did not ever pass the old list. Openwall's offer is fine by
me as well. I mentioned adding opportunistic SSL/TLS
transport on the mailserver, to cut out casual MitM
eavesdropping
> 1) Membership management is a pain. Adding new people is annoying and
> nobody ever leaves.
> 2) Nobody is in charge, which means sometimes issues can get ignored or
> forgotten (also see #1)
These track together -- mailman or such will cull dead email
accounts that bounce of course, but that is a pretty mild form
of management. Absent a charter to somehow mandate some
'contribution' to remain on a list, there is not a clear rule
to 'weed' the list. But is this really needed except from
some idea of avoiding 'too many eyes'? Frankly running a
distribution is work and for non-commercial distributions,
unpaid work
If a criteria for remaining on the list is needed, it is
needed to make sure that eyes are still reading the content --
handle that with a periodic 'tracer' piece, and drop
non-responders
-- Russ herrold
(centos, cAos)
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