Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 22:27:56 +0200 From: Pierre-Yves Rofes <py@...too.org> To: oss-security@...ts.openwall.com Subject: Re: tool announcements -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Solar Designer a écrit : > > On Mon, Jun 02, 2008 at 02:41:48PM -0800, Jonathan Smith wrote: >> I wholeheartedly agree. > > Thank you for commenting on this. Your opinion is appreciated and may > affect our moderation policy. At this point, I am not sure if it is the > prevailing opinion of this group, though. FWIW, I tend to agree too. Many of us are already subscribed to full-disclosure/bugtraq because we send our advisories there, so it seems a bit pointless. > >> Announcements of this kind belong on bugtraq/FD > > Maybe. However, many topics are valid on Bugtraq - not only Open Source > ones. I imagine that someone could be interested in security tool > announcements relevant to Open Source software only. Also, Bugtraq is > so large that few of us would dare to bother its readers with > announcements of new versions of a tool, even fairly major ones. > > As to full-disclosure, we all know that there's a lot of noise on that > list. That's unfortunate, hopefully it won't happen here if we keep moderating it, but I agree with what's said below, we should think about a proper policy to detail what's allowed (and encouraged) on the list, and what's not. > Maybe we need to setup a new oss-sectools list, but I'd rather not go > for it until we start to receive a substantial number of security tool > announcements in here. This implies that we let those announcements > through moderation - or people will stop sending them. At a later time, > I'd start rejecting them with requests to repost to oss-sectools - but > this is not an option yet. > >> or per-software announce lists like nmap-announce. > > Indeed, but that does not eliminate the need for a shared list. > >> I think this list is, >> or should be, for discussion only. If the post isn't designed to spark >> discussion (other than "does this belong here" discussion :-) it should >> be somewhere else. > > I mostly agree, but please see above re: "something else". > > As to "sparking discussion", it is impossible to know that in advance. > Yes, you wrote "designed to ..." - does ending a post with "comments, > please?" qualify? If so, that could be used on any announcement - even > on a mostly-PR one. > > Also, what about those CVE requests - is a single response, assigning > the CVE number, "discussion"? OK, in some cases people actually have > comments. Looking at the archives, at least half of the topics are CVE requests, so maybe we should think about renaming the list "oss-CVEreq" :) But personally, I find it very useful, it's also a handy way to keep an eye on possible issues before they're on secunia, e.g when a user reports a bug on a distro's BTS instead of reporting directly to the upstream project. > >> Announcements are intended either for existing end-users or as a PR >> ploy. Existing users are probably subscribed to the project-specific >> list (or don't care) and this isn't the place for PR. > > Of the existing lists, Bugtraq is probably the place for PR. > > However, some tools could be of specific relevance to oss-security > members - e.g., source code analysis tools and fuzzers. Do you agree? > Is a moderator supposed to decide whether or not this is the case? > >> So, was this message, and "SQL_injection detection tool released" held >> for moderation? > > Yes, they were. > >> If so, why were they approved? Presumably whoever did so >> has some reason not-yet-mentioned, since the SQL_injection one didn't >> contain a query about testing and code review. > > I was the one to approve both messages. So far, the only messages that > were not approved were spam. > > I don't regret approving these messages - I think that we're having > useful discussion as a result, and I think that it was important for > this group's members to be aware of what was coming to the list (except > for spam). Let's say that these two messages are "samples" of content > that we might or might not want in here. > That's a wise decision, at least now we know what content we're going to receive. > My opinion is that moderators are not supposed to define the list's > policy on their own - and we did not (and still do not) have this bit of > policy fully defined. So let's try to take care of that now, or I would > not know what to do if more messages like these two arrive to the list. > As said before, I totally agree here. - -- Pierre-Yves Rofes Gentoo Linux Security Team -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIRalLuhJ+ozIKI5gRAhRIAJ90hvNzoAOzUoL/zcyX6aHCpVu7VQCeN888 xnh/i0rVtkrWE+Rl0nEMpnQ= =Zjed -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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