Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 23:06:41 -0600 From: Vincent Danen <vdanen@...sec.ca> To: oss-security@...ts.openwall.com Subject: Re: announcing oCERT & oss-security to Bugtraq & f-d * [2008-04-05 01:08:58 +0400] Solar Designer wrote: >Josh, Vincent, Jonathan - thank you for commenting on this so promptly! > >Andrea - it appears that the oCERT announcement should be separate, then. >Please go ahead with it, and feel free to mention oss-security in passing >as a group that oCERT intends to work with, as Vincent suggested. I'm >not sure if it's appropriate to include a link to the oss-security wiki; >I would do it, but Vincent suggested that we make "the intelligent" use >Google instead (and not invite the rest to our wiki just yet). I think at this point, just mentioning it should suffice until we figure out the basics (unless Andrea waits until next week and we have a consensus in place). >> Vincent Danen wrote: >> | I don't have a problem with it being announced at the same time, but I >> | do think that one day is pretty short notice to draft a decent >> | announcement (i.e. something that won't result in a "why do we need >> | another ml like fd or bugtraq" barrage of postings), > >Good point, and I am sorry for the short notice. To me, this was >expected, but I failed to notify the oss-security group of this >possibility earlier. I did not expect that the press would pick oCERT >up before the Bugtraq & f-d announcement, though - and this is now a >reason for not delaying the announcement anymore. No, not for oCERT, for sure. But I think I'd like to see some of the ground-rules laid out first, now, before we have to re-think or change things later (in terms of basics), and end up ticking people off. >> | because we need to >> | figure out the best way to do this so we don't get people like "n3td3v" >> | coming to the list. > >Maybe it's OK if they come to the list, but are unable to post - or get >kicked out. I think maybe a moderated subscription, and unmoderated postings (for members, moderated non-subscriber postings mandatory) would be a good way to do it. >On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 12:08:07PM -0800, Jonathan Smith wrote: >> I've got to agree with Vincent here. We didn't have much heads-up about >> this. Having folks on-list who shouldn't be was my main concern with >> oss-security to begin with, and posting the list to the masses (at this >> point in time) isn't going to make that easier. >> >> That being said, we need to figure that out before oss-security can be >> useful to a broader range of people and projects. > >OK, can we please start figuring this out, then? Once there's consensus >or an obviously prevailing opinion in this group, Openwall is going to >re-configure the list as it will be agreed upon, and everyone can edit >the wiki to reflect that. Then we'll be ready for a "big announcement", >right? Or do we want to work on the wiki content more first? Or maybe >tighten up the wiki settings? I think the wiki content is ok... we could delay this for months just getting the wiki content straightened out and flushed out. I don't think we want to do that. Tightening up who can edit the wiki is a good idea tho. >Let's just not leave things undefined and non-announced forever. If >oss-security is successful, and it appears that it is, it will become >known anyway - but possibly with more confusion around it if we don't >announce it ourselves. I agree. >> | I think we should activate membership moderation before we make a big >> | public announcement for exactly this reason. Which is why we need more >> | than one day... this needs to be discussed amongst members and needs to >> | be noted in the announcement (to keep the idiots from trying to >> | subscribe and then us having to punt a bunch of them after the fact). >> >> Yep. But, I still think we should allow read-only memberships without >> moderation. Having to read oss-security through rss or a web interface >> would be frustrating. > >I agree with Jonathan on this. > >As to whether to enable message pre-moderation for list members before >the announcement or only when we really have to, I am not sure. I'll >let others decide. No, I don't think we need to moderate member postings. I think we should do it this way: - members can post at will - subscribers are read-only  - non-members have posts moderated - membership is moderated  the distinction between member and subscriber is a member being someone who can post, and a subscriber is someone who gets it read-only -- Vincent Danen @ http://linsec.ca/ Content of type "application/pgp-signature" skipped
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