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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 13:02:45 +0300
From: Solar Designer <>
Subject: Re: [GSoC] John the Ripper support for PHC finalists

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 10:24:45AM +0300, Solar Designer wrote:
> So the speed of C code is maybe good - I say maybe because we don't know
> yet how much better it can be made.  One of two OpenCL SDKs running on
> the CPUs achieves about the same speed, which is a good sanity check.
> The other fails to vectorize the code, resulting in much lower speed.

Actually, the failure to vectorize is possibly a red herring.  POMELO is
designed to be somewhat SIMD-unfriendly, including in attack
implementations (with extra parallelism from having multiple candidate
passwords).  So I doubt the other OpenCL SDK vectorized it; perhaps it
just didn't print the warning.  This needs to be looked into for real.

> The speed on Xeon Phi via OpenCL is a joke, but that's not too
> surprising given that OpenCL isn't currently a good way to program Xeon
> Phi (Intel's OpenCL implementation for Xeon Phi is too poor).  On AMD
> GPU, the performance is low - this needs to be looked into.  On NVIDIA,
> the kernel fails to compile.

The poor speeds on GPUs may actually be fine, indicating POMELO's
success at being GPU-unfriendly, but we need to try and optimize the
OpenCL kernels and their settings before we possibly arrive at this
conclusion.  Also, need to test across ranges of POMELO cost settings.


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